Anyone using hardware modelers (like Neural DSP, Helix, Headrush) for live or recording?

circuitspore

Joined: Sep 13, 2023
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Posted on Sep 14 2023 06:22 AM

First post here and I recognize that this question in itself is a bit sacrilegious! But I'm looking into getting one of these systems for use in recording my non-surf projects, and figure if one of them could do a decent reverby Fender emulation, that it would help me decide which route to go. Anyone have any experience with them in a surf context?

Thanks in advance!

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Padraig

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Posted on Sep 14 2023 12:20 PM

Hey Circuitspore, welcome to SG101! While you are waiting for some answers, go over to the "Shallow End" forum page and tell us about yourself on the "Introduction, New Members" thread!

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Tqi

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Posted on Sep 14 2023 04:34 PM

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circuitspore

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Posted on Sep 14 2023 05:30 PM

Tqi wrote:

What kind of sound are you after? Something like amp reverb in a blackface? Or a standalone tank into a brownface? Or something else entirely?

I'm thinking full amp emulation. So good amp models and reverb modeling without needing an extra effects loop or other gear. Something that could be ran into a powered speaker for a live show or recording.

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TheFintastics

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Posted on Sep 14 2023 10:09 PM

The Joyo "American Sound" Fender stomp pedal is what I have recorded with. Also, a Ventris reverb pedal gives an extremely authentic reverb drip when configured for that effect. A zoom MS50G pedal is worth every penny for an "all in one" stomp pedal that does a convincing Fender tone with spring reverb in full stereo.

Amplitude is amazing if you want to bypass all hardware and just use a computer program along with an audio interface.

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Tqi

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Posted on Sep 14 2023 10:56 PM

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circuitspore

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Posted on Sep 16 2023 07:10 PM

Tqi wrote:

circuitspore wrote:

I'm thinking full amp emulation. So good amp models and reverb modeling without needing an extra effects loop or other gear. Something that could be ran into a powered speaker for a live show or recording.

Right, I got that. My question was "what amp" and "what reverb" do you want to model?

Ah, sorry. In a perfect world, I would have a piece of gear that perfectly emulated the '72 Fender Princeton Reverb that I used to own. I usually don't go ~super~ thick/drippy on the reverb.

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CaptainSensible

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Leesburg, VA
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Posted on Sep 16 2023 11:37 PM

The Universal Audio Dream 65 is pretty darn good. Compared well to my (former) Tone Master Twin Reverb through monitors.

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Tqi

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futureboy

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Posted on Sep 18 2023 07:20 AM

I have a Universal Audio Dream 65. I think it does the Fender tone just fine. Pick your flat response powered cab and you have a light setup.

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CrazyAces

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Posted on Sep 18 2023 10:29 AM

I've been using an Atomic Ampli-Firebox for about 5 years now to replicate, replace my specific use of my '73 Princeton Reverb and it works great for me.
I found the stock sounds to be wanting but I recorded my mic'd Princeton and then did a little software deep diving, tweaking until the Atomic sounded like my Princeton and was able to get close enough to barely notice any difference in sound.
I've also used the same unit live but that was an all in ear monitor situation.
Since I own some nice tube amps though I'm looking at something like the Two Notes Torpedo X that will allow me to use those amps combined with Impulse Response speaker emulations, the amp attenuated or even silent, best of both worlds.

Cheers,
Jeff

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circuitspore

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Posted on Sep 18 2023 08:44 PM

Thanks @TheFintastics, @CaptainSensible, @Tqi, @futureboy, and @CrazyAces for your feedback!

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jdmcduders

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Posts: 137
Indianapolis, IN
United States

Posted on Sep 19 2023 08:07 PM

I have a Fractal AxeFX2 and I found that I have to be a lot more careful selecting the cabinet with clean sounds compared to distorted. Take your time and do lots of A/B comparison to find what you want.

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SamDBL

Joined: Sep 19, 2016
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Tampa
United States

Posted on Sep 19 2023 10:00 PM

I use an hx stomp for my solo gigs. Going stereo through two PA speakers sounds so big. And it’s so easy to play through. When I play full band, I go back to a regular amp and vintage vibe. But it’s reeeeeeally hard to go back, sometimes.

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Skiltrip

Joined: Mar 09, 2014
Posts: 92
New York
United States

Posted on May 22 2024 12:16 PM

I use an HX Stomp XL with my band Northern Tides. It's fantastic. I'm running into the front end of a Quilter Aviator Mach 3 amp, set pretty much totally clean. The Stomp has a Princeton style preamp block in the chain, an EQ to fine tune, a couple tremolos (harmonic and regular trem), and a couple delays (analog style and a tape delay).

So versatile, and if I ever get a wild hair to try something weird, everything is right there to try without getting into buying and selling pedals in order to try new sonic ideas.

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Jerome

Joined: Jun 29, 2022
Posts: 15

Posted on May 24 2024 02:24 AM

I did some very solid recordings with the TC Electronic Combo Deluxe 65'.
Inexpensive and underrated unit. The onboard reverb is killer (although I usually rely on beloved my Surfy Bear metal).
For gigging purposes I always use my real Deluxe Reverb tube amp.

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circuitspore Joined: Sep 13, 2023 Posts: 7 Raleigh, NC	Posted on Sep 14 2023 06:22 AM First post here and I recognize that this question in itself is a bit sacrilegious! But I'm looking into getting one of these systems for use in recording my non-surf projects, and figure if one of them could do a decent reverby Fender emulation, that it would help me decide which route to go. Anyone have any experience with them in a surf context? Thanks in advance! — WTB: Fender Ventures Jazz Bass Let me know if you have one for sale! Top
Padraig Joined: Feb 26, 2022 Posts: 401 Dollars, Taxes	Posted on Sep 14 2023 12:20 PM Hey Circuitspore, welcome to SG101! While you are waiting for some answers, go over to the "Shallow End" forum page and tell us about yourself on the "Introduction, New Members" thread! — Patrick Top
Tqi Joined: Dec 07, 2014 Posts: 1222	Posted on Sep 14 2023 04:34 PM - Last edited: Feb 02, 2024 09:21:16 Top
circuitspore Joined: Sep 13, 2023 Posts: 7 Raleigh, NC	Posted on Sep 14 2023 05:30 PM Tqi wrote: What kind of sound are you after? Something like amp reverb in a blackface? Or a standalone tank into a brownface? Or something else entirely? I'm thinking full amp emulation. So good amp models and reverb modeling without needing an extra effects loop or other gear. Something that could be ran into a powered speaker for a live show or recording. — WTB: Fender Ventures Jazz Bass Let me know if you have one for sale! Top
TheFintastics Joined: Jul 28, 2008 Posts: 471 Wichita Falls, Texas	Posted on Sep 14 2023 10:09 PM The Joyo "American Sound" Fender stomp pedal is what I have recorded with. Also, a Ventris reverb pedal gives an extremely authentic reverb drip when configured for that effect. A zoom MS50G pedal is worth every penny for an "all in one" stomp pedal that does a convincing Fender tone with spring reverb in full stereo. Amplitude is amazing if you want to bypass all hardware and just use a computer program along with an audio interface. — _ Hi, I'm Gellert, guitarist for The Fintastics. https://www.facebook.com/TheFintastics Top
Tqi Joined: Dec 07, 2014 Posts: 1222	Posted on Sep 14 2023 10:56 PM - Last edited: Feb 02, 2024 09:20:58 Top
circuitspore Joined: Sep 13, 2023 Posts: 7 Raleigh, NC	Posted on Sep 16 2023 07:10 PM Tqi wrote: circuitspore wrote: I'm thinking full amp emulation. So good amp models and reverb modeling without needing an extra effects loop or other gear. Something that could be ran into a powered speaker for a live show or recording. Right, I got that. My question was "what amp" and "what reverb" do you want to model? Ah, sorry. In a perfect world, I would have a piece of gear that perfectly emulated the '72 Fender Princeton Reverb that I used to own. I usually don't go ~super~ thick/drippy on the reverb. — WTB: Fender Ventures Jazz Bass Let me know if you have one for sale! Top
CaptainSensible Joined: Nov 08, 2006 Posts: 649 Leesburg, VA	Posted on Sep 16 2023 11:37 PM The Universal Audio Dream 65 is pretty darn good. Compared well to my (former) Tone Master Twin Reverb through monitors. — Sean Top
Tqi Joined: Dec 07, 2014 Posts: 1222	Posted on Sep 17 2023 03:24 AM - Last edited: Feb 02, 2024 09:17:58 Top
futureboy Joined: Aug 28, 2008 Posts: 115 East Coast	Posted on Sep 18 2023 07:20 AM I have a Universal Audio Dream 65. I think it does the Fender tone just fine. Pick your flat response powered cab and you have a light setup. Top
CrazyAces Joined: Jul 31, 2012 Posts: 4052 Nashville, TN.	Posted on Sep 18 2023 10:29 AM I've been using an Atomic Ampli-Firebox for about 5 years now to replicate, replace my specific use of my '73 Princeton Reverb and it works great for me. I found the stock sounds to be wanting but I recorded my mic'd Princeton and then did a little software deep diving, tweaking until the Atomic sounded like my Princeton and was able to get close enough to barely notice any difference in sound. I've also used the same unit live but that was an all in ear monitor situation. Since I own some nice tube amps though I'm looking at something like the Two Notes Torpedo X that will allow me to use those amps combined with Impulse Response speaker emulations, the amp attenuated or even silent, best of both worlds. Cheers, Jeff — http://www.facebook.com/CrazyAcesMusic http://www.youtube.com/user/crazyacesrock http://www.reverbnation.com/crazyacesmusic Top
circuitspore Joined: Sep 13, 2023 Posts: 7 Raleigh, NC	Posted on Sep 18 2023 08:44 PM Thanks @TheFintastics, @CaptainSensible, @Tqi, @futureboy, and @CrazyAces for your feedback! — WTB: Fender Ventures Jazz Bass Let me know if you have one for sale! Top
jdmcduders Joined: Jan 14, 2013 Posts: 137 Indianapolis, IN	Posted on Sep 19 2023 08:07 PM I have a Fractal AxeFX2 and I found that I have to be a lot more careful selecting the cabinet with clean sounds compared to distorted. Take your time and do lots of A/B comparison to find what you want. Top
SamDBL Joined: Sep 19, 2016 Posts: 244 Tampa	Posted on Sep 19 2023 10:00 PM I use an hx stomp for my solo gigs. Going stereo through two PA speakers sounds so big. And it’s so easy to play through. When I play full band, I go back to a regular amp and vintage vibe. But it’s reeeeeeally hard to go back, sometimes. — Guitarist for Black Valley Moon & Down By Law Top
Skiltrip Joined: Mar 09, 2014 Posts: 92 New York	Posted on May 22 2024 12:16 PM I use an HX Stomp XL with my band Northern Tides. It's fantastic. I'm running into the front end of a Quilter Aviator Mach 3 amp, set pretty much totally clean. The Stomp has a Princeton style preamp block in the chain, an EQ to fine tune, a couple tremolos (harmonic and regular trem), and a couple delays (analog style and a tape delay). So versatile, and if I ever get a wild hair to try something weird, everything is right there to try without getting into buying and selling pedals in order to try new sonic ideas. — Guitarist for Northern Tides from Hudson Valley, NY. Northern Tides on FB Top
Jerome Joined: Jun 29, 2022 Posts: 15	Posted on May 24 2024 02:24 AM I did some very solid recordings with the TC Electronic Combo Deluxe 65'. Inexpensive and underrated unit. The onboard reverb is killer (although I usually rely on beloved my Surfy Bear metal). For gigging purposes I always use my real Deluxe Reverb tube amp. Top

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