try running the metal into the delay instead

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I often use delay with reverb, it took some efforts and time to read the numerous topics on this here, but now I am pretty happy with the result. Pretty long delay (300 ms) and minimal repeats usually work for me the best.

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Great advice above. Thanks guys.

Well the guy that gets the best delay plus reverb sound has to be that ex-yugoslavian fellow Ivan Poncracioslivovics or something. His most famous band is the Lords of Atlantis, before that he was in some obscure bands like Space Cossacks (about a russian hacker group that used a lot of their space bar on their keyboards) and The Madeira (portugal Island Argipel that has a lot of rainy days and nice flowers). Oh and that guy that is in every surfband in the world playing bass.... ehm... Jon Polasci, really heavy eastern maffia dude, has some connections with that other Italian Surf Mafia guy called Lorenz* (sorry couldn't give his full name because I'm in hiding at the moment and Interpoll is protecting me at a secure site somewhere in Venlo where they sell a lot of records

But when I'm not protected by Interpoll and are alowed to do some rehearsals and shows I like to combine a surfy bear metal with two or even three delays. The one closed to the reverb is just set on slab back, short delay. It makes the sound a bit more splashy since I use a lot of overdrive. Wile soloing I use an Roland delay with tab function to get in the rythm with the delay and a MXR bright analogue delay for slab back delay also, to get that Sun Studio RnR sound.

Here is the only ballad we play and the slab back echo is really a part of the sound.

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synchro wrote:

I love to combine reverb and delay, but I usually back the reverb mix way down when there is delay involved. I tend to go with a fairly short delay, and even with the reverb backed off, it still comes across as more of a sound expander effect, than a slapback. However, the Boss DM-2W I use in front of my reverb, seems to enhance drip.

Samurai wrote:

The main track from my new EP has a lot of delay with pretty heavy reverb almost all over. See the video below. If that’s a kind of sound you are chasing I may show my settings. I usually use delay to add some space and atmosphere, so delay is not really heard, or to make solos or some parts more prominent and these are two different types of delay and reverb settings.

That’s a great sound. Most of the time, I use Delay to give the sound an extra dimension. Reverb and delay are close relatives, but still quite different from one another. We’re fortunate to live in a time when reverb and delay are easy to come by.

Thanks! Yes, extra dimension is a nice term, for me the main thing is to make repeats barely heard but to add dimensions and space and still keep reverb drippy and prominent. That’s a little tricky but possible. And yes, Ivan Pongracic for me is a perfect example of how to use delay, he also was kind enough to describe here in details his sound approach, it was really helpful.

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Lost Diver

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arny wrote:

Well the guy that gets the best delay plus reverb sound has to be that ex-yugoslavian fellow Ivan Poncracioslivovics or something. His most famous band is the Lords of Atlantis, before that he was in some obscure bands like Space Cossacks (about a russian hacker group that used a lot of their space bar on their keyboards) and The Madeira (portugal Island Argipel that has a lot of rainy days and nice flowers). Oh and that guy that is in every surfband in the world playing bass.... ehm... Jon Polasci, really heavy eastern maffia dude, has some connections with that other Italian Surf Mafia guy called Lorenz* (sorry couldn't give his full name because I'm in hiding at the moment and Interpoll is protecting me at a secure site somewhere in Venlo where they sell a lot of records

But when I'm not protected by Interpoll and are alowed to do some rehearsals and shows I like to combine a surfy bear metal with two or even three delays. The one closed to the reverb is just set on slab back, short delay. It makes the sound a bit more splashy since I use a lot of overdrive. Wile soloing I use an Roland delay with tab function to get in the rythm with the delay and a MXR bright analogue delay for slab back delay also, to get that Sun Studio RnR sound.

Here is the only ballad we play and the slab back echo is really a part of the sound.

That slapback echo really adds the extra dimension. Gorgeous. Love the sounds and thanks a mill for sharing your music.

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Samurai wrote:

PatGall wrote:

Great advice above. Thanks guys.

The main track from my new EP has a lot of delay with pretty heavy reverb almost all over. See the video below. If that’s a kind of sound you are chasing I may show my settings. I usually use delay to add some space and atmosphere, so delay is not really heard, or to make solos or some parts more prominent and these are two different types of delay and reverb settings.

Sublime sounds. Delay really adds atmosphere. Your delay is before reverb? Would love to know your settings. Thanks so much for sharing your tunes.

Yes, delay is always before tremolo and reverb. I use Crazy Tune Circuits Time delay that I really love, it’s kind of early 70s digital delay that somewhere between analogue and digital in sound. The settings are in the photo, I think that’s around 300-400 ms but not sure as I was tuning by ear. Repeats and mix are low but mod is up as these modulations add dimensions but don’t get in the way of reverb. Reverb settings are lower than I usually use.
I also should say that I had numerous analog and digital reverbs and echos but only with this one I have managed to get this spacy sound, repeats are clean and airy and easy to make prominent or barely heard.

Waikiki Makaki surf-rock band from Ukraine

https://linktr.ee/waikikimakaki

Lost Diver

https://lostdiver.bandcamp.com
https://soundcloud.com/vitaly-yakushin

Thanks again to everyone for generously sharing such useful information. Really grateful to you all.

edwardsand wrote:

Delay and reverb are similar effects, and I think it is difficult to add them together and get what you might expect. In my experience, to properly hear delay, you need to dial down the reverb.

This is the way. The primary tone gets kind of mushy if the delay is pushing through a super wet tank. I'd personally run the guitar > delay > reverb (so the signal that is getting repeated is the actual attack of your guitar. Otherwise you'll be sampling chunks of a reverb decay and repeating that which imho doesn't sound as good). Then dial the mix of the reverb back from where you might put it for reverb drenched surf stuff. Super wet reverb sounds great when you're guitar is plinking or tremoloing through it, but once you have multiple iterations of your guitar going through it, the sound becomes much less defined. Maybe good for shoegazer stuff, but probably not what you want in surf.

I was surprised to find out I prefer my tremolo AFTER my reverb though. I would have thought the chops going into the tank would have been better/smoother, but it sounded better to my ears when it controlled the whole signal reverb and all. Anyone else?

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