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Right up front, I will state that I’m writing from my own experience, and I will be leaving out a lot of pedals. I don’t mean to slight anyone’s favorite pedal, but I’m going to stick with pedals that I know from firsthand experience.

Reverb is a big part of the Surf Guitar world, and few, if any, would argue that the sound of the Fender 6G15 tank can be significantly improved upon, but not everyone has a vintage 6G15. For that matter, there are probably not nearly enough surviving 6G15s for all of today’s Surf players to have one of their own.

It’s also good to remember just want a 6G15 is, and what it does. Essentially, a 6G15 was a Fender Champ, driving a reverb pan, instead of a speaker, and a tube to recover the signal from that reverb pan, plus a control to mix the wet and dry signals. A 6G15 was driving through the gain stages and probably overdriving somewhat, when pushed. The signal from the 6G15 drove the front end of the amp a bit harder than the average guitar.

Because there are not likely to be enough vintage tanks to go around, this leaves us several options. The Fender ‘63 Reissue Tube Reverb is based upon the 6G15, but they aren’t exactly identical to the originals. Even these are out of production and prices are going up. It’s one option, but not the cheap way to go, these days.

Amps with built-in reverb tend not to produce the drip Surf guitarists value. That is not to write them off completely. If you aren’t shooting for prominent reverb drip, a Fender Deluxe Reverb will take you a long ways. It’s an excellent setup for overall playing and I’ve played a lot of Surf tunes with nothing more than a Deluxe Reverb.

To put reverb into pedal form is challenging. Reverb pedals came into their own when DSP chips became readily available. A Digital Signal Processor can be tasked to do many different things, but reverb is said to be somewhat resource intensive, as compare to some other effects that DSPs are programmed to do. But modern DSPs can do some impressive things.

The EHX Holy Grail

The Holy Grail, by Electro Harmonix made a big splash, and deservingly so. It truly is an excellent sounding pedal. To the best of my understanding, these have been digital, from the earliest models. To this day, you could do a lot worse than a Holy Grail.

The Boss FRV-1

Boss, in collaboration with Fender, made the FRV-1, which was designed to emulate a Fender tank. For their time, these were impressive. I’ve heard one of these back to back with the Fender Tube Reverb tank, from the ‘90s, and it was surprisingly close. There is a bit of metallic harshness to the reverb trail, but it’s a reasonably decent pedal. Keep the Dwell within reason, set the Tone carefully, and it does alright.

The Catalinbread Topanga

While the FRV-1 was a step forward, the state of the art continued to advance, and Catalinbread came out with the Topanga. The Topanga has been with us for a while now, but still stacks up well. This is a dedicated spring reverb emulator that gets a lot right. Beyond that, there’s a Level control which allows the pedal to be a clean boost, and a darn good one, at that.

I’ve played a lot of gigs through a Topanga, in fact, in many cases that was my only effect. Crank the dwell up and it drips reasonably well. Back off the Dwell, and it becomes a still powerful spring reverb. The Mix lets you bring it somewhat back into the sonic territory of an amp with built-in reverb, but it never forgets that it’s trying to be a tank.

TC Electronic Hall of Fame

The TC Hall of Fame features several types of reverb, including three slots for TonePrints, which allow you to experiment with a variety of reverbs. There is an excellent Spring reverb emulation built in, plus a number of Spring TonePrints. There is also Hall reverb, Plate reverb and a host of options. Considering the price, there are a lot of reverb choices available in this pedal for someone that wants to experiment with different reverb types.

TC Electronic Hall of Fame Mini

Basically, a simple little mini pedal that comes with Hall reverb, but can be TonePrinted to be any number of other reverb emulations, including spring reverbs. My favorite TonePrint for this pedal, however, is Plate reverb. Plate, BTW, can drip with the best of them. Single knob operation makes this pedal fairly desirable, for someone that wants one reverb sound, without tweaking numerous settings. There is only one TonePrint available at a time, but it’s easy to change the TonePrint on the fly, from a smart phone.

A Detour Off the Beaten Path

Spring reverb was the first truly portable form of reverb, and it made its mark. Hall reverb describes the natural reverb of a large concert hall. Plate reverb describes reverb created using a large steel plate. Recording studios had echo chambers, but when plates became available, even fairly small studios could have impressive reverb.

A plate was big, think of an 8’ long bed, set on its edge; but it’s much smaller than having a dedicated echo chamber. Later on, plate reverb became available in a solid-state form, in a unit that was slightly larger than a business paper shredder. Plate is somewhat a favorite of mine. As I mentioned earlier, plate will drip nicely, and lacks harshness.

The Stanley FX Blue Nebula

This pedal has proven itself to be interesting, and versatile. The built-in reverb for these is modeled after Abbey Road’s plate units. The pedal also has a three stage preamp, which uses discrete Field Effect Transistors, to both boost the signal level, and enhance the harmonic overtones in the mix. This is a truly amazing pedal. There are any number of tape delay emulations available on this pedal, plus some great emulations of magnetic drum delays, and even a tremolo. If you want to copy Hank Marvin’s sounds, there are built-in patches, hard coded into the pedal, named for various Shadows songs. This pedal is a powerful effects processor, and if you have some basic skills in configuring computers, you can do much more with it. Patches can be arranged into a setlist, and I’ve used it that way on gigs.

EarthQuaker Devices Dispatch Master

Not really marketed as a Surf Pedal, the Dispatch Master combines what I would describe as a Hall Reverb, with a digital delay. No one, is going to confuse this with a spring tank, but it is a good, all-purpose reverb, and a competent digital delay. I tend to use this for a Chet Atkins sound, but it’s also not bad for straight-ahead Country or Rockabilly. It gets surfy, if pushed, but it’s not going to have the same character as a spring reverb emulation. However, if you want reverb + delay, in a $199 package, it offers excellent value.

Stanley FX Abbey Reverb

This is a compact version of the same Abbey Reverb the Blue Nebula has, in a single, miniature, pedal. While not a bespoke Surf pedal, I’ll let you in on a secret; Plate Reverb drips nicely. It’s quite usable for Surf, and lacks the metallic trail that some folks find harsh. For something the size of a Three Musketeers bar, this pedal really speaks for itself.

Source Audio True Spring

This is my most recent reverb pedal acquisition, and a quite impressive pedal, at that. There are three basic reverbs: Short Spring, Long Spring, and Tank. There are also quite a number of alternate reverbs such as the Ventris True Spring, the Ventris Outboard reverb, the Drip Machine and Trash Can Spring, and a Hall/Spring Hybrid.

Beyond that, there are tremolo effects that can be added to the spring reverb as secondary effects. The choices are Optical, Bias Varying and Harmonic. The tremolos are excellent Activating the tremolos involves pressing a button while turning the Dwell and Tone knobs to set tremolo depth and speed. There is also a provision for a tap-tempo pedal, which I really like. The tap tempo divisions can be 1/4 notes, 1/8 notes, dotted eight notes, triplets or 1/16 notes.

The Source Audio Neuro Editor allows you to do a lot. The three position switch selects the patch, and If you hold the bypass switch down for a few seconds, the LED changes from green to red, allowing you to select three other reverb/tremolo combinations with the three way switch.

But that’s just the features; how about the sound? In a word, great. It’s probably the best tank emulation I’ve ever heard. Besides that, if you dial back the Dwell and Mix, it mellows into an onboard reverb sound, quite easily. IMO, the True Spring is a lot better at this than the Topanga. For my purposes, versatility is important; I want to be able to cover a lot of ground from as few pedals as possible, and the True Spring holds up its end of that bargain.

Fender ‘63 Reissue Reverb

When Surf saw a resurgence, in the ‘90s, Fender built a reissue of their tank, but it was not a perfect copy of the 6G15, as referenced above. One problem was that the 6K6 tube of the original 6G15 is not, to the best of my knowledge, in production. Instead, they used a 6V6. There were differences in some component values and the ‘63 Reissue Reverb doesn’t enjoy the reputation of a real 6G15.

I have one, and it’s decent. The average person, listening to it, would probably find it pleasing. They drip, they have all of the controls of the original, and bring a lot to the table, but I’ve played vintage 6G15s that I liked much better. To put it in a nutshell, I would consider it about equal to a Catalinbread Topanga, which is to say pretty good, but there is room for improvement. I recall playing an outdoor gig with mine, through my Twin, with the tank as the only effect. It acquitted itself well; handling the non Surf material quite well, and provided plenty of drip on the Surf tunes.

My Conclusions

If I were king of the world, I’d see to it that everyone had a mint, vintage 6G15 and a 6G14 Showman to play it through, but I’m not king. For most of us, a vintage tank is not likely to happen, so we look elsewhere.

If I had to choose one, it would be the True Spring. I like it better than my ‘63 RI tank, and even the Catalinbread Topanga. The Topanga would be a strong second place, in my opinion. I think that it represented the absolute state of the art, 10 years ago. The Abbey Reverb is my favorite, outside of tne Spring reverb realm, unless you want the multiplicity of options that the Blue Nebula offers. None of the pedals I mentioned have disappointed me, and the quality and durability seem excellent. There’s not a loser in the bunch.

I left out several, such as the EHX Ocean’s 11 or 12. No slight intended, but I’ve never played through one, so I won’t offer any opinions. Likewise for several others. Ultimately, the field is wide open, with many good choices.

The artist formerly known as: Synchro

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Thanks, nice review!

But I think the conclusion should be:

Just get a SurfyBear.

PS I have used 5 of the above mentioned reverbs plus a dozen more. Wampler Faux spring, T-rex Tonebug, Keeley Hooke, Gold FX Surf Rider, Oceans 11, Tech 21 Boost Reverb, Danelectro Spring King and some others.

SurfyBear have ended this search.

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Last edited: Jul 20, 2023 06:44:53

I recently got a Surfy Bear Metal.

It's hands-down the best reverb pedal I've used for the surf sound. And great all-round.

The Death by Audio Reverberation Machine is a close second. There's a dark and light switch, with the light switch mode pretty drippy. It also adds quite a lot of harmonic, slightly distorted character, so good for the psychedelic end of the surf spectrum.

But surf-wise, apart from the original, Surfy Bear all the way!

Are the SurfyBears pedals? I guess the Compact is the closest to being a pedal, but the Metal and Classic are reverb units, with the Metal having some functionality of a pedal (a footswitch built in).

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spskins wrote:

Are the SurfyBears pedals? I guess the Compact is the closest to being a pedal, but the Metal and Classic are reverb units, with the Metal having some functionality of a pedal (a footswitch built in).

I would agree. I see the Surfy Bear as a modern, FET based version of a 6G15. It’s probably one of the best options out there. I didn’t include it in my post, because I don’t have firsthand experience with one, and my comments were confined to reverbs I’ve actually used.

The artist formerly known as: Synchro

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Thanks Synchro for your review!

I have the Source Audio True Spring and have found it excellent with good drip, as compared to other 'pedals'

I also have Surfy Bear Compact and it does drip more and has real springs that make a huge difference. I like the 2 switched favorite feature. But even so I do not relate the Compact as a 'pedal', however it can be on a board, with a lot of real estate consumed. I had it on then took it off.

Another great pedal is the Strymon Blue Sky. It has plate, room and spring along with numerous range settings. Best part is you can save a 'Favorite' for recall, easy peasy. I would say the quality of the effects are overall excellent.

The only other pedal I have had that you reviewed is the TC Hall of Fame, and although it has a lot of features, its no where near the vintage sounds my other pedals deliver. Its a good 'intro' pedal to the wide variety of reverbs IMO.

Nice summary of most of the good available options out there for Spring Reverb. I’ve been eyeing the Stanley FX Nebula and its little sibling, the Baby Blue Echo, for their multi head delay options amongst other things but don’t seriously need them. The UA Dream ‘65 has an impressively drippy amp style reverb based on the clips I’ve heard and the new TC Electronic Ampworks Deluxe styled pedal similarly seems to be doing a much better surf style drip than we’ve seen from some of their other products. I have both a Surfy Bear Metal and a True Spring. The True Spring is honestly good enough for my overly discerning and picky ear for surf tone, but I’ve just really wanted another 6G15 after having owned both a Fender ‘63 reissue and a Gomez hand built unit. Wasn’t able to A/B any of 6G15 units, but to my ear, I think the SurfyBear is the best of them. Nothing against the others, it’s just dialed in exactly how I want it right out the gate and I kept fiddling with tubes and pans with the real units. But for the money and convenience, the Source Audio True Spring is probably the cheapest and best deal for great surf reverb.

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archimedes wrote:

Nice summary of most of the good available options out there for Spring Reverb. I’ve been eyeing the Stanley FX Nebula and its little sibling, the Baby Blue Echo, for their multi head delay options amongst other things but don’t seriously need them. The UA Dream ‘65 has an impressively drippy amp style reverb based on the clips I’ve heard and the new TC Electronic Ampworks Deluxe styled pedal similarly seems to be doing a much better surf style drip than we’ve seen from some of their other products. I have both a Surfy Bear Metal and a True Spring. The True Spring is honestly good enough for my overly discerning and picky ear for surf tone, but I’ve just really wanted another 6G15 after having owned both a Fender ‘63 reissue and a Gomez hand built unit. Wasn’t able to A/B any of 6G15 units, but to my ear, I think the SurfyBear is the best of them. Nothing against the others, it’s just dialed in exactly how I want it right out the gate and I kept fiddling with tubes and pans with the real units. But for the money and convenience, the Source Audio True Spring is probably the cheapest and best deal for great surf reverb.

The Blue Nebula has a lot to recommend it. That Abbey Road plate reverb is great and it has a preamp, made of discreet FETs, which gives lots of rich overtones. It’s not made to be used as an overdrive, but just to give a bit of texture. The delay choices are excellent, especially if you want an easy way to nail some Hank Marvin delays, it’s hard to beat. I use it as a programmable way of assembling the effects I need for every song on a setlist. If I want a Spring Reverb, I just create a blank patch that keeps the preamp in the circuit, and uses an external reverb pedal.

The Baby Blue was what piqued my initial interest, but decided that the ability to save 128 patches was worth the extra cash.

The TC Electronic Ampworks Deluxe sounds promising. Likewise the UA Dream ‘65. I had one of the Boss FDR-1 Deluxe Reverb pedals for a while and found it worked well for my needs. I wish I had kept it.

I would say that the True Spring as about as good of a reverb pedal as I’ve ever heard, and the Surfy Bear is probably as good as any tank out there. I’m happy with a pedal, and don’t really want to carry a tank.

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Excellent reviews!

Im merely an intermediate player (4 years) and I’m still developing my ear , but for me the Oceans 11 and the SurfyBear are tops!

The Oceans 11 is “brighter” where as the SurfyBear kind of darkens your sound , which actually isn’t a bad thing…

I love the spring setting on the EHX Oceans 11. It might be simulated drip but it's very satisfying to my ears... The spring settings on the Fender Treverb can be made to drip politely if you set the levels on the pedal right, especially if you drive the signal going in with something like a treble booster or an EQ pedal set to do something similar.

What I'm excited about is the new TC Electronic Combo Deluxe 65'... it's reverb feature drips beautifully (probably the best digital drip I've heard yet) and can be adjusted for more or less (or no) drip depending on your tastes...

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weird_oh84 wrote:

Excellent reviews!

Im merely an intermediate player (4 years) and I’m still developing my ear , but for me the Oceans 11 and the SurfyBear are tops!

The Oceans 11 is “brighter” where as the SurfyBear kind of darkens your sound , which actually isn’t a bad thing…

If I ever find myself with the opportunity, I’ll have to try the Ocean’s 11. I’d buy one, but as it is, I have several reverb pedals that I virtually never use, so I’ll curtail my buying.

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synchro wrote:

weird_oh84 wrote:

Excellent reviews!

Im merely an intermediate player (4 years) and I’m still developing my ear , but for me the Oceans 11 and the SurfyBear are tops!

The Oceans 11 is “brighter” where as the SurfyBear kind of darkens your sound , which actually isn’t a bad thing…

If I ever find myself with the opportunity, I’ll have to try the Ocean’s 11. I’d buy one, but as it is, I have several reverb pedals that I virtually never use, so I’ll curtail my buying.

That’s why I sell everything I don’t use, then I can justify buying some new stuff)

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Dire wrote:

I love the spring setting on the EHX Oceans 11. It might be simulated drip but it's very satisfying to my ears... The spring settings on the Fender Treverb can be made to drip politely if you set the levels on the pedal right, especially if you drive the signal going in with something like a treble booster or an EQ pedal set to do something similar.

What I'm excited about is the new TC Electronic Combo Deluxe 65'... it's reverb feature drips beautifully (probably the best digital drip I've heard yet) and can be adjusted for more or less (or no) drip depending on your tastes...

I wonder if there is a drip subroutine built into some of these pedals. The Boss FRV-1 drips as if there’s some kind of routine being triggered, but I’m pretty certain that it can also happen as a natural side effect of reverb doing its thing. The drip from the True Spring strikes me as responding in a very natural manner, and responds to the type of pick I am using. The thinner the pick, the more drip I hear.

Also, the Presence control on the Blossom Point seems to have an effect. Turn that higher, and the drip becomes more pronounced. According to how I understand Presence controls, it would seem to make sense. There’s also the Drip Machine patch for the True Spring, that seems to overdo it, making the drip seem almost contrived.

The Fender Treverb demos I’ve heard sound good to my ear. The impression I have is that DSP programming for spring reverb emulations has advanced over the last 10 years, to the point that it’s raised the bar for the entire industry. The next time I’m at a music store, I’ll keep an eye open for the TC Electronic pedal.

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Samurai wrote:

synchro wrote:

weird_oh84 wrote:

Excellent reviews!

Im merely an intermediate player (4 years) and I’m still developing my ear , but for me the Oceans 11 and the SurfyBear are tops!

The Oceans 11 is “brighter” where as the SurfyBear kind of darkens your sound , which actually isn’t a bad thing…

If I ever find myself with the opportunity, I’ll have to try the Ocean’s 11. I’d buy one, but as it is, I have several reverb pedals that I virtually never use, so I’ll curtail my buying.

That’s why I sell everything I don’t use, then I can justify buying some new stuff)

I actually sold quite a bit, over the last year, myself.

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synchro wrote:

Dire wrote:

I love the spring setting on the EHX Oceans 11. It might be simulated drip but it's very satisfying to my ears... The spring settings on the Fender Treverb can be made to drip politely if you set the levels on the pedal right, especially if you drive the signal going in with something like a treble booster or an EQ pedal set to do something similar.

What I'm excited about is the new TC Electronic Combo Deluxe 65'... it's reverb feature drips beautifully (probably the best digital drip I've heard yet) and can be adjusted for more or less (or no) drip depending on your tastes...

I wonder if there is a drip subroutine built into some of these pedals. The Boss FRV-1 drips as if there’s some kind of routine being triggered, but I’m pretty certain that it can also happen as a natural side effect of reverb doing its thing. The drip from the True Spring strikes me as responding in a very natural manner, and responds to the type of pick I am using. The thinner the pick, the more drip I hear.

Also, the Presence control on the Blossom Point seems to have an effect. Turn that higher, and the drip becomes more pronounced. According to how I understand Presence controls, it would seem to make sense. There’s also the Drip Machine patch for the True Spring, that seems to overdo it, making the drip seem almost contrived.

The Fender Treverb demos I’ve heard sound good to my ear. The impression I have is that DSP programming for spring reverb emulations has advanced over the last 10 years, to the point that it’s raised the bar for the entire industry. The next time I’m at a music store, I’ll keep an eye open for the TC Electronic pedal.

As shared in other convos's about reverb peddles here, I too am a big fan of the Source Audio True Spring. I've not tried near as many reverb pedals as others, just first hand ownership and use of the Boss FRV-1 and Catalinbread Topanga.

The Boss was my first reverb effect, then I cut to the chase with a Gomez G-Spring. I have had the luxury of also having a good pedal for backup on gigs and agree with your sentiment and others - the Topanga is real nice. It just doesn't compare with the True Spring's reverb engines; that's not even factoring in the really great harmonic, optical and bias tremolo options they've built into the True Spring.

Anyhow, yeah, I agree with the technology advancements. The Source Audio guys are top of the heap with the best of the best (eg: Strymon too).

I have always appreciated and enjoyed these geek out videos Bob does on DSP's and particularly the Reverb ones, all of which illustrate your point about advancements.

Fady

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I personally have never played with any reverb pedals, other than ones that have springs in them. But I have watched a few demos and several pedals do sound decent but the drip is not convincing. The 6g15 and Surfy Bear drip according to the string and fret. In other words, the drip changes frequency when the notes change. This has not been emulated by any other pedal that I have heard. That's nice that some pedals can go louder or softer with the drip, but it is not at all the same.

I actually quite like that a real surf drip cannot be replicated by your average reverb pedal!

Daniel Deathtide

Last edited: Jul 21, 2023 09:35:43

Good overview.

I've always preferred amp reverb to pedal reverb, but recently got a BOING! reverb pedal to supplement the pedalboard travel rig I put together and have enjoyed it a good bit.

I was lucky to find a good-condition RI Fender Tube Reverb and love that, but the BOING! and other pedals like it are a competent substitute for what I want to do in a live situation. Honestly, the BOING! is the only reverb pedal I've ever bought.

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Appreciate the breakdown/perspective Synchro. Everybody's ears are different and get different reads on optimal reverb.

Had the Topanga on my board for a while but found it running hot and was honestly fatiguing my ears. It's a great pedal, but "something" wasn't right for my rig. Even after tweaking knobs.

I've been happily running a Source Audio True Spring (actually both guitar players in the band do) happily, for a year probably.

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The Topanga is the best pedal I have tried so far.

That Boss/Fender pedal is the absolute worst imitation of reverb I’ve ever heard in my life. I wouldn’t even call it a reverb pedal.

I’m one who prefers amp reverb and am also in the market for a 6G15.

J

Last edited: Jul 21, 2023 12:52:10

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