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Ludwig Drums 1965
Joined: May 26, 2020 Posts: 257 Highlands Ranch 
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Posted on May 22 2023 11:01 PM
I scored a vintage Ludwig Snare and kick today on FB Marketplace. Anyone able to tell me more about it?
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Joined: Mar 06, 2006 Posts: 1892 Wear gloves - I'm in the Rockies
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Posted on May 23 2023 07:35 AM
https://www.ludwig-drums.com/en-us/ludwig/serial-guide According to this guide, this is a '65 set. Pretty cool! —"You can't tell where you're going if you don't know where you've been" |
Joined: Aug 28, 2008 Posts: 115 East Coast
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Posted on May 23 2023 10:18 AM
Based on the brackets this looks like it could be a Club Date model. http://www.vintageludwigdrums.com/60sclubdate.html The snare drum looks like it would be a Pioneer model. I think it is considered a poor man's Jass Festival snare. I'm no expert, so don't quote me on that. |
Joined: Mar 17, 2019 Posts: 162 Central PA
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Posted on May 23 2023 11:20 AM
There are 8 lugs on that snare, it looks like a Jazz Festival - 8 bow tie lugs. Pioneers have 6 bowtie lugs. Yes, 1965 from the serial number. There may be a stamped date inside the shell. Looks like 5x14". Nice drum. The kick looks like it was indeed off a Club Date, but the photo doesn't give a lot of detail. One could reasonably put either a Pioneer or Jazz Fest with a Club Date. The finish on both is pretty oxidized. It looks painted black, hard to tell if it's original or not, or even if it's flat black or gloss. I'd take it apart, see what you really have, and clean it up some. I wouldn't go crazy trying to make it look new. Also don't know about the silver sparkle inlay on the drum hoop - might be original, they made some that way, but not sure I've seen one on an original black kick drum. I've had two Club Dates, one pre-serial keystone badge early-60s in Sky Blue Pearl, another serial number keystone badge roughly '65 in Champagne Sparkle. Never should have gotten rid of the SBP - it needed a floor tom, I shoulda just stuck it out until I found one. It was an absolute powerhouse. But I'm primarily a guitar/steel-guitar player that just likes to play drums sometimes. I'm down to a 60s Blaemire bop (18" kick) kit. Portable, sounds great. —The Delverados - surf, punk, trash, twang - Facebook |
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Joined: May 26, 2020 Posts: 257 Highlands Ranch
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Posted on May 23 2023 11:26 PM
DaveMudgett wrote:
Great info the club date seems to track. I will pop the heads off this weekend and see a little more on them. Nice find by my wife for free on FB Marketplace for sure. There is also a rack tom that appears to be a 1971. no matching Floor tom though. —Social Media |
Joined: Dec 16, 2010 Posts: 340 Chapel Hill, NC 
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Posted on May 25 2023 06:30 AM
Definitely appears to be a 20" club date kick in black lacquer. And yep, the silver inlay is pretty common. Looks like the tom bracket was modified to accommodate two rack toms. Club dates were typically configured with a single rack and floor tom. Nickel hardware too, which really gives these drums a vibe. As others have said, also looks like a Pioneer snare. While not as crisp sounding or as responsive as an 8 or 10-lug snare, the 6-lug pioneer has a mojo all it's own. They sound absolutely fantastic for early rock-n-roll, country, and swing. I've got two that match my club date kits, and a 3rd just because. Assuming the finish on the drums are in good shape (lacquer is notorious for flaking and easily scratched up) these will clean up nicely. If you intend to keep them and play them, with a little patience you can likely find a matching 12" rack tom. With a LOT of patience (and deep pockets) you may find a matching 14" floor tom. A 16" FT would be easier to find, but tonally, there's just something magic about the club date 12/14/20 configuration. Congratz! -murph —http://www.reverbnation.com/elmiragesurf "I knew I was in trouble when the Coco-Loco tasted like water!" -- morphball |
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Joined: Mar 17, 2019 Posts: 162 Central PA
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Posted on May 25 2023 07:50 AM
Oops - yeah, the snare is a 6-lug Pioneer. Mistook the 8 lugs on kick photo. Pioneers sound good, they're just not as controllable as the 8-lug Jazz Fest. I have a 5.5x14" Black Diamond Pearl '65 Pioneer. I like it tuned down for blues, classic country, Americana, and so on. Doesn't have the crack of the higher-end drums, but sounds very good. —The Delverados - surf, punk, trash, twang - Facebook |
Joined: Apr 01, 2007 Posts: 347 Sea Country, CA, USA
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Posted on May 25 2023 10:13 AM
TheOutpost wrote:
Free is always nice! And, it's great to have a partner on the lookout for deals like this! Congrats on both! —
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Joined: May 26, 2020 Posts: 257 Highlands Ranch
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Posted on May 25 2023 06:14 PM
Thanks all. This will get cleaned up and used at home for sure. —Social Media |
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Joined: Dec 06, 2008 Posts: 97 Denver
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Posted on May 31 2023 07:17 PM
So you ended up flipping the drums? I think you might be asking a little too high |
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Joined: May 26, 2020 Posts: 257 Highlands Ranch
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Posted on May 31 2023 11:39 PM
Nope. Cleaned the snare up. Put new heads on it. Also going to be doing the same to the kick. Trying to track down a Floor Tom to match. —Social Media |
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Joined: Mar 06, 2006 Posts: 1892 Wear gloves - I'm in the Rockies
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Posted on Jun 01 2023 07:22 AM
https://denver.craigslist.org/msg/d/littleton-vintage-ludwig-club-date-1965/7625723432.html Same drums? —"You can't tell where you're going if you don't know where you've been" |
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Joined: Dec 16, 2010 Posts: 340 Chapel Hill, NC
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Posted on Jun 01 2023 10:22 AM
It's probably just a coincidence that the snare drum serial numbers match. -murph —http://www.reverbnation.com/elmiragesurf "I knew I was in trouble when the Coco-Loco tasted like water!" -- morphball |
Joined: Oct 27, 2010 Posts: 116 Centennial, Co
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Posted on Jun 01 2023 12:55 PM
Seems fishy |
Joined: Nov 08, 2017 Posts: 367 San Francisco Bay Area
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Posted on Jun 01 2023 02:01 PM
Sonichris wrote:
The drums even have the same markings, like the line in the dust. Same drums. —If I'd stop buying old guitars to fix, I might actually learn to play. |
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Joined: May 26, 2020 Posts: 257 Highlands Ranch
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Posted on Jun 01 2023 04:27 PM
Ahh I asked a drummer friend thoughts on value. he though he could get me top dollar and posted them, but i've since decided to keep. I asked him to pull it down —Social Media Last edited: Jun 01, 2023 16:30:53 |
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Joined: Mar 06, 2006 Posts: 1892 Wear gloves - I'm in the Rockies
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Posted on Jun 01 2023 08:17 PM
I don't think anyone here cares if you sell them or not - they are your drums. What is funny is the way this played out - A new mystery expert friend who knows prices, but not years? New heads, but the old ones in the pics? Dude - come clean, we don't really care other than you are looking a little foolish. *Edit - I don't care what you do with them. Others might. You got caught with your hand in the cookie jar - —"You can't tell where you're going if you don't know where you've been" Last edited: Jun 01, 2023 20:28:59 |
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Joined: May 26, 2020 Posts: 257 Highlands Ranch
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Posted on Jun 01 2023 08:52 PM
I don’t care what people think. I’m actually glad you guys pointed out they were listed. I didn’t even know he had posted them. Either way. I’m loving how they sound. They are here to stay. Just need to find a matching Floor Tom now. —Social Media |
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Joined: Dec 06, 2008 Posts: 97 Denver
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Posted on Jun 01 2023 09:06 PM
yep, Chris, just thought they were a bit steep for student model Ludwigs and overall condition. Last edited: Jun 01, 2023 21:07:04 |
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Joined: May 26, 2020 Posts: 257 Highlands Ranch
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Posted on Jun 01 2023 09:28 PM
Yeah. I still don’t know the value. Lol but the stamps inside when I opened them up to clean them confirmed years at least. These will be a main stay for me for sure. For now they have a Red Sparkle MIJ kit floor Tom hanging with them. —Social Media |
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