New offset bridge that fixes every problem with the original design

dannylectro

Joined: Aug 18, 2008
Posts: 372
Orange, CA
United States

Posted on Dec 01 2022 05:39 AM

The Descendant Companion offset bridge seems to fix literally every problem thess bridges have had. This review explains it in much more detail:

https://www.guitarplayer.com/reviews/swope-guitars-descendant-offset-vibrato-and-companion-bridge-review

Anyone here have experience with this bridge?

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DeathTide

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New Orleans
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Posted on Dec 01 2022 11:08 AM

I see springs which does not solve the rattling thing that tends to happen. I also see height adjustment screws for the middle four strings, which is cool but why not on all six? I guess you'd just adjust the whole bridge for those, which is weird because my low E likes to be a bit higher than the high e; my hard pickin makes the low E rattle against the frets. I don't see how this is better than the Staytrem, other than being able to adjust some of the heights and fit different radiuses?

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Surfadelphia

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Posted on Dec 01 2022 12:52 PM

I think they also make Descendant without the saddle height adjustment in three different set radii 7.5 9.5 12
Looks like a nice bridge and trem but it's still not going to prevent the need for a neck to be shimmed that has a too shallow break angle over the saddles.

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dannylectro

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Orange, CA
United States

Posted on Dec 02 2022 04:42 AM

Surfadelphia wrote:

I think they also make Descendant without the saddle height adjustment in three different set radii 7.5 9.5 12
Looks like a nice bridge and trem but it's still not going to prevent the need for a neck to be shimmed that has a too shallow break angle over the saddles.

I agree. The offset guitar necks will always need shimming no matter how good of a bridge you use.

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Samurai

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Kiev, Ukraine
Ukraine

Posted on Dec 02 2022 07:17 AM

dannylectro wrote:

Surfadelphia wrote:

I think they also make Descendant without the saddle height adjustment in three different set radii 7.5 9.5 12
Looks like a nice bridge and trem but it's still not going to prevent the need for a neck to be shimmed that has a too shallow break angle over the saddles.

I agree. The offset guitar necks will always need shimming no matter how good of a bridge you use.

Never shimmed none of my offsets so I think it depends.

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Tqi

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Posted on Dec 02 2022 05:06 PM

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Redfeather

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Posted on Dec 02 2022 08:19 PM

For me, the ideal JM bridge would used fixed roller saddles that are adjustable for height and intonation and sit as low as possible because the shimmed neck, high bridge technique is not conducive to comfortable surf pickin' at all.

The rocking bridge is a pretty dumb idea. Leo tried it because he was too cheap for roller saddles. Guaranteed.

But you know who wasn't too cheap to try it: Yamaha.

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edwardsand

Joined: Jun 29, 2018
Posts: 801

Posted on Dec 02 2022 10:05 PM

Redfeather, you make an excellent point about the roller saddles. That Yamaha bridge does everything it needs and you don't have to worry about it coming back to rest in the proper position.

That being said, I've got 2 guitars with the Fender Jaguar/Jazzmaster tremolo have Mustang bridges on them and really don't have problems with them. Do they lack sustain? I don't know, but I never notice because it doesn't really matter in the types of music I like to play.

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bertrandbrebis

Joined: Nov 28, 2020
Posts: 24

Posted on Dec 03 2022 03:50 AM

I do not trust ads. To buy a new bridge/vibrato for my Squier CV 60s Jaguar, a video has to show me the tuning of each string on a tuner BEFORE AND AFTER using the vibrato bar.

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andare

Joined: Jul 11, 2018
Posts: 93

Posted on Dec 03 2022 11:11 AM

bertrandbrebis wrote:

I do not trust ads. To buy a new bridge/vibrato for my Squier CV 60s Jaguar, a video has to show me the tuning of each string on a tuner BEFORE AND AFTER using the vibrato bar.

I think the closest you'll get is Mike Adams's review of the aftermarket JM parts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njUXebojku0&t=281s

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dannylectro Joined: Aug 18, 2008 Posts: 372 Orange, CA	Posted on Dec 01 2022 05:39 AM The Descendant Companion offset bridge seems to fix literally every problem thess bridges have had. This review explains it in much more detail: https://www.guitarplayer.com/reviews/swope-guitars-descendant-offset-vibrato-and-companion-bridge-review Anyone here have experience with this bridge? Top
DeathTide Joined: Apr 13, 2018 Posts: 1378 New Orleans	Posted on Dec 01 2022 11:08 AM I see springs which does not solve the rattling thing that tends to happen. I also see height adjustment screws for the middle four strings, which is cool but why not on all six? I guess you'd just adjust the whole bridge for those, which is weird because my low E likes to be a bit higher than the high e; my hard pickin makes the low E rattle against the frets. I don't see how this is better than the Staytrem, other than being able to adjust some of the heights and fit different radiuses? — Daniel Deathtide Top
Surfadelphia Joined: Sep 04, 2017 Posts: 435	Posted on Dec 01 2022 12:52 PM I think they also make Descendant without the saddle height adjustment in three different set radii 7.5 9.5 12 Looks like a nice bridge and trem but it's still not going to prevent the need for a neck to be shimmed that has a too shallow break angle over the saddles. Top
dannylectro Joined: Aug 18, 2008 Posts: 372 Orange, CA	Posted on Dec 02 2022 04:42 AM Surfadelphia wrote: I think they also make Descendant without the saddle height adjustment in three different set radii 7.5 9.5 12 Looks like a nice bridge and trem but it's still not going to prevent the need for a neck to be shimmed that has a too shallow break angle over the saddles. I agree. The offset guitar necks will always need shimming no matter how good of a bridge you use. Top
Samurai Joined: Mar 14, 2006 Posts: 2283 Kiev, Ukraine	Posted on Dec 02 2022 07:17 AM dannylectro wrote: Surfadelphia wrote: I think they also make Descendant without the saddle height adjustment in three different set radii 7.5 9.5 12 Looks like a nice bridge and trem but it's still not going to prevent the need for a neck to be shimmed that has a too shallow break angle over the saddles. I agree. The offset guitar necks will always need shimming no matter how good of a bridge you use. Never shimmed none of my offsets so I think it depends. — Waikiki Makaki surf-rock band from Ukraine https://linktr.ee/waikikimakaki Lost Diver https://lostdiver.bandcamp.com https://soundcloud.com/vitaly-yakushin Top
Tqi Joined: Dec 07, 2014 Posts: 1222	Posted on Dec 02 2022 05:06 PM - Last edited: Feb 02, 2024 15:47:59 Top
Redfeather Joined: Jul 30, 2016 Posts: 896	Posted on Dec 02 2022 08:19 PM For me, the ideal JM bridge would used fixed roller saddles that are adjustable for height and intonation and sit as low as possible because the shimmed neck, high bridge technique is not conducive to comfortable surf pickin' at all. The rocking bridge is a pretty dumb idea. Leo tried it because he was too cheap for roller saddles. Guaranteed. But you know who wasn't too cheap to try it: Yamaha. Top
edwardsand Joined: Jun 29, 2018 Posts: 801	Posted on Dec 02 2022 10:05 PM Redfeather, you make an excellent point about the roller saddles. That Yamaha bridge does everything it needs and you don't have to worry about it coming back to rest in the proper position. That being said, I've got 2 guitars with the Fender Jaguar/Jazzmaster tremolo have Mustang bridges on them and really don't have problems with them. Do they lack sustain? I don't know, but I never notice because it doesn't really matter in the types of music I like to play. Top
bertrandbrebis Joined: Nov 28, 2020 Posts: 24	Posted on Dec 03 2022 03:50 AM I do not trust ads. To buy a new bridge/vibrato for my Squier CV 60s Jaguar, a video has to show me the tuning of each string on a tuner BEFORE AND AFTER using the vibrato bar. Top
andare Joined: Jul 11, 2018 Posts: 93	Posted on Dec 03 2022 11:11 AM bertrandbrebis wrote: I do not trust ads. To buy a new bridge/vibrato for my Squier CV 60s Jaguar, a video has to show me the tuning of each string on a tuner BEFORE AND AFTER using the vibrato bar. I think the closest you'll get is Mike Adams's review of the aftermarket JM parts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njUXebojku0&t=281s Top

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