Maybe you have already noticed that the Fender Panorama Tremomolo does not work with thicker strings. Does anyone know where you can buy springs that fix this problem? So longer or stiffer?
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Stiffer Spring for the New Fender Panorama Tremolo
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Posted on Sep 16 2022 03:07 PM
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Posted on Sep 16 2022 03:38 PM
Big Ryan on 60 Cycle Hum did some great videos on his search for a spring that works better with heavy strings w/ the Panorama Trem on his American Pro 2 Jazzmaster. They are on You Tube and definitely worth checking out. |
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Posted on Sep 16 2022 04:08 PM
Surfadelphia wrote:
I saw them. He's nailed it. But in need a link to a shop where to buy a spring or how to fix it another way...Alternatively, I would have to buy a new tremolo. And I'm trying to cheat my way around that right now |
Joined: Nov 08, 2017 Posts: 369 San Francisco Bay Area 
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Posted on Sep 16 2022 05:00 PM
A long shot, maybe, but put in a plastic washer like you can do on a Bigsby. Metal washer might do the job, too. —If I'd stop buying old guitars to fix, I might actually learn to play. |
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Posted on Sep 17 2022 03:11 AM
ldk wrote:
The problem is that the tension of the thick strings already presses the spring together completely. Thus, there is no more room to move. Even a washer does not help |
Joined: Apr 13, 2018 Posts: 1378 New Orleans
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Posted on Sep 17 2022 11:44 AM
There is a long thread about this on OSG and I think the latest is that Daren Riley sold a spring but it's now out of stock - but that may be a false memory haha! Recently a user was able to nail down the specs of the existing spring's dimensions, wire thickness, and PSI. They said they spoke to a spring manufacturer and they were happy to make the spring but the minimum order was like 10,000! I would really love to use these trems and get more swing. Because of this issue I just got a few polished Masterys and they do the job very well. With .013 - .056, if I hit the A on the low E, it goes down to F. With the AVRI trems I couldn't get lower than between G and G#! —Daniel Deathtide |
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Posted on Sep 18 2022 03:38 AM
Ok, I tried this.... Let's see what happens... Hello Fender Support Germany, |
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Posted on Sep 18 2022 03:43 AM
DeathTide wrote:
Buying a Mastery tremolo is of course a very good option and everything will work after that. However, I don't really see that when buiying a brand new guitar. Especially because I see a working tremolo as a basic requirement. It's not about customizing anything but to give you a basic functionality. That should work with a guitar from the factory THX vor the tip with the OSG. i'll will have a look at his now... |
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Posted on Sep 18 2022 09:40 AM
Here is the thread: https://www.offsetguitars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=117440 And yeah I hear you, that Mastery stuff is expensive! I just love wasting money on music crap haha! I also find it incredibly hard to believe that there is not a part number for a suitable spring SOMEWHERE! Like McMaster-Carr or some industrial thing. Sure there'd be a minimum order but it wouldn't be anything close to the manufacturer's minimum. If there were replacement springs that Darren Riley had, then I'll guess they'll be back because they probably sold out in a day. And lastly "Bad Fender!" yet again. We get wonky bridges and trems that don't work. This is the reason that partsmasters are so popular, in my opinion. If Fender made them "correctly" I'd guess the partsmaster market would suffer a bit, and I'm including "boutique" builders who make Fender copies. —Daniel Deathtide |
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Posted on Sep 18 2022 09:48 AM
After watching this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNTXt1YFmpA The tension rises and I'm curious whether that works then |
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Posted on Oct 15 2022 04:40 AM
That's how it ended
I like this guitar, but when you want to play heavy strings, don't buy it. Otherwise you have to invest money to fix this in one or the other way. |
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Posted on Oct 15 2022 06:59 AM
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Posted on Oct 15 2022 10:00 AM
I ordered a spring on Ebay (see above) If that's not working I thing I'll try the Mastery |
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Posted on Oct 15 2022 02:27 PM
A Mastery doesn't solve the problem at all. All it does is revert you to the traditional Fender range of vibrato while also devolving the bridge design from the rocking setup with full intonation capability to a simple string-dragged-over-a-bar design with compromised intonation. The problem is that Fender's kluge of the existing Jazzmaster vibrato amounted to altering the location of the fulcrum such that it provides greater leverage to the string side, which of course reduces the ability of the spring to counter them. And they're probably using the same spring they have sitting on shelves already so now we have this problem. If you want to experiment, you could try adding an "overload spring" in the form of some light rubber bumper placed under the spring end of the vibrato plate, between it and the bottom of the route so that it acts in compression. Some mountain bike forks use (or used to, anyway) these rubber plugs of various rates to achieve their bounce.
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Posted on Oct 16 2022 01:14 PM
Do hardware stores near you sell springs? If so, check out what they've got. I've managed to find springs I could use for Bigsbys and Mosrite trems. Haven't looked for a JM spring. If there aren't springs locally, look online. With calipers, you can measure the thinkness of the spring wire, the diameter of the spring, and the length, and usually find something a little bit more robust. I get mine from Lee Spring (https://www.leespring.com/) here in the US. Usually I'll buy a couple of different ones and find the one that works best. Last edited: Oct 16, 2022 13:15:54 |
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Posted on Oct 16 2022 01:25 PM
MelWaldorf wrote:
See what i postet on Sep 18 2022 16:48. That's exactly what I did. Shipping from China to Germany takes time |
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Posted on Oct 16 2022 04:14 PM
Ah yes. Good luck with the slow boat! |
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