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Permalink Review: Fender '65 Twin Reverb Custom 15 reissue

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Remember that girlfriend you once had that you really thought was perfect? But after months or even years of dating, you grew apart? It wasn't sheer incompatibility or anything. She was just, well, a little too perfect. She never forgot your birthday or the anniversary of your first date. On Valentine's Day, she gave you a card, and forgave you when you forgot to buy flowers. She didn't mind cleaning up after you and she cooked your mom's best recipes, only better than mom?

Okay, maybe you never had a girlfriend like that. You may even be thinking, "Damn, I'd never give that up!" Well, my friends, too much of a good thing can be a bad thing.

Anyway, that's how it has been with my '65 Twin Reverb Custom 15. After two years, I am about to kick the ol' amp to the curb and trade her in for...an older model. Why? It's hard to put a finger on it. This amp is damn good. Its tones are crystal clear and it makes every single one of my guitars sing with a distinct voice. It's given me two years of flawless operation. It even looks mighty fine, with it's tasteful blackface cosmetics and that big 15" speaker with the chrome dustcap, veiled by a woven silver cloth.

It's perfect - it's just not perfect for surf. There's something missing. Warmth. Personality. A willingness to be a little naughty. Wetness. It's hard to describe. But the other day, a friend came by with a standard Twin, and his had what mine lacked. Then, I got to play through a vintage Dual Showman at a Guitar Center store. Same deal. And, on a visit to Seattle's Emerald City Guitars, I played through a genuine 1965 Fender Twin Reverb. Tonal nirvana. After cheating on my amp, I just couldn't be happy with her anymore.

The root of the problem is undoubtedly the 15" speaker. It's an Eminence, and Fender claims it is based on the JBL D130F. However, it is not an AlNiCo speaker, but rather a ceramic. Does this matter? I don't know. But if they skimped on this important detail, one has to wonder what other design compromises were made. Likely, it has a bigger voice coil than the JBL, as I don't believe the JBL was designed to handle 85 watts RMS, which is the output of the Twin. Perhaps that's why Leo Fender came up with a dual speaker cabinet for the Dual Showman? (History buffs, here's your chance to shine).

On first blush, though, the concept for the Custom 15 sounds great. Having a 15" puts this amp somewhere between the Twin Reverb and the Dual Showman, or so one might believe. Sort of a Dual Showman in a Twin Reverb rapper. Based on the well-regarded, even revered AB763 circuit, (the same one used in both the Twin and the Showman amps, among others), one would suppose that the Custom 15 would deliver Showman performance without the hassles of a 40-year-old piece of electronic equipment.

And it comes close - this amp has more bass response than a reissue Twin. It even has more treble, odd as it may seem. The top end is stellar, with a crystalline treble response that is almost too cutting and clear. And the sound really projects. It definitely sounds best when turned up loud, as in a nightclub or outdoors. Given room to breath, it sounds quite good. Excellent, in fact.

But its clarity is its downfall. Without a little warm naughtiness, it just doesn't quite get the classic surf sound. This is particularly evident when you hook up a standalone Fender reverb and mute your notes. Instead of emphasizing the wet middle-tones, you get the piercing high treble notes. No amount of fiddling helps ... you can dial the treble into non-existence, and it just muddies the sound. Cranking the mid-range knob doesn't do it either.

Sigh. When Fender released this, they said it was perfect for people who play in specific styles: steel, country, jazz, surf. Lately, I have noticed that they are leaving the word "Surf" out of their advertising materials. I wonder if Fender dude and Slacktone virtuoso Dave Wronsky had something to do with that ... he doesn't really like this amplifier for surf guitar, and has said so in the old SG 101 Yahoo! forum.

Anyway, after nearly two years, my tonal tastes seem to have caught up with Dave's. This is a great amp. It might even rival boutique amps for clarity of tone. But, it isn't the perfect amp for surf.

So, I am bidding mine adieu. I plan to replace it with a '70s Twin Reverb taken back to blackface AB763 specs. It is my hope that a handwired Twin will deliver the kind of relationship I am hoping for ... the amp is being reworked by Vintage Sound Amps in Florida. It even has blackface cosmetics, instead of the appallingly ugly silver face look. When it arrives and takes the floorspace once occupied by my Custom 15, I will write a review.

Until then, I'll grieve a love affair that went bad. It was just too good to last.

Maybe you could put a Weber California series speaker in it?

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Good thought, Brian. I had given new speakers some thought. Also, retubing with some different and presumably better tubes. But, I started adding up the costs: tubes at $100 plus, Weber 15" AlNiCo Californias, $215 plus shipping. Soon, my $1,080 Fender would cost as much as a boutique amp! I will take a beating selling this on EBay, but I had a few too many guitars and am cleaning the barn of those. So, I had the bread to get something I really want.

I wrote the review simply to point out that anyone considering the Twin Custom 15 would probably be happier with a standard Twin reissue, or maybe an early Silverface Twin or Dual Showman.

It's a cautionary tale. Like I said, I really like this amp. Just not enough to keep it around. Life is too short ...

Gavin

I think without having biased the amp a little warmer and maybe with better tubes you could be ditching a good amp. I have repaired amps for years and tubes (make/manufacturer) and their bias settings make a difference. Speakers do too but your lack of warmth could be from a cold bias setting.

Although I think any PCB-built amp is on borrowed time, Fender has a few that are good.

I also think that maybe what you want is the vibe/character of an older amp. Nothing will cure that but a vintage amp. My $0.02

If your amp is too clean, a Weber California isn't going to be your answer. I've got cabs with CAs and also cabs with JBLs. Californias are definitely cleaner and shinier than a JBL.

Rick
Halibuts/Deoras

Some of the new era printed circuit reissue Fender amps lack that certain "something", while others sound great. I've had a RI Deluxe Reverb and a RI Twin Reverb that were 100% stock and sounded great. I had a RI '63 Vibroverb that sounded like crap...I took it back to the store and got a Dual Professional which was lots better, but my RI Twin Reverb had much better tone. I think the Celestion Vintage 30's just didn't work well for surf.

I have a '95 Vibrasonic Reverb that I bought used at a guitar show in '96. This amp is very similar to the Twin Reverb Custom 15, except it is supposedly 100w instead of 85. It is a real decent surf amp, especially for rhythm guitar. However, when I replaced the original Eminence speaker with a ceramic Weber California Series 15 incher, this amp REALLY came alive. Tone to the bone, as they say.

Note: A combo amp will NEVER sound like a Dual Showman. The only thing that sounds like a Dual Showman is a Dual Showman. Some folks (including me) prefer the tone of the single 15" Showman, though. The tone ring cabinet gives it amazing bottom end.

With that said, for the money and assuming you can find a good one for the right price, a clean early '70's "pre-master volume" Twin Reverb may be the way for you to go. You can always change it to blackface cosmetics inexpensively. Install some good tubes and a pair of good speakers, and you'll be surfin' away! That elusive "perfect" surf tone comes at a price, unfortunately.

Jack Booth
(aka WoodyJ)

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Last edited: May 26, 2006 15:54:15

WBB,

While the speaker upgrade is never a bad idea (you can always dump it if it doesn't boing your springs), you could have re-tubed it for much less than a portrait of Ben Franklin. At that point, I'd've recommended that you replace all of the pre-amp tubes with 12AT7's, or even 12AU7's. Lower gain per tube means that you crank it up a bit more than usual, putting the amp into singing territory.

Just a thought, though it seems moot now.

unlunf

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hey WindanseaBeachBoy

have we met?

Yes, I was at the show at the Boulder Theater, a benefit. You played my custom Jazzmaster - the yellow-and-blue surfboard theme, with the bikini girl on the front.

How are you doing?

Gavin

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