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As a rythm guitar player, what would my choice be? And can someone tell me the difference between the two in sound and playability.

They both work well for rhythm guitar. There are subtle differences but to really get a sense of them you have to play both for a period of time. Plus there are now so many versions of the guitars it's hard to compare.

If I recall you already own a strat and a mosrite clone. what is it that you don't like about those guitars for rhythm playing?

Danny Snyder

"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo

I am now playing trumpet with Prince Buster tribute band 'Balzac'

Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta

Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party

Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF

DannySnyder wrote:

They both work well for rhythm guitar. There are subtle differences but to really get a sense of them you have to play both for a period of time. Plus there are now so many versions of the guitars it's hard to compare.

If I recall you already own a strat and a mosrite clone. what is it that you don't like about those guitars for rhythm playing?

I dont get along very well with the strat. I hit the middle picup with the pic, accidently lower the volume as I'm playing and also is the switch placed on the "wrong" spot of the guitar (I flip it during playing).
I'm usually a Les Paul guy so I might get used to the strat in a while, but I might swap it for a Jaguar or a Jazzmaster if that works better for me.

Last edited: May 22, 2022 09:21:48

I get it, I had similar issues. Here was my solutions. I keep the pickups low, which I like anyway. I removed the upper pot and put a switch in the lower pot that allows me to use neck/bridge.

I personally play my jazzmaster more, but the strat is preferred by more people I'd say.
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Danny Snyder

"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo

I am now playing trumpet with Prince Buster tribute band 'Balzac'

Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta

Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party

Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF

I would say that I would choose Jaguar for a rhythm, in surf context. Heavy reverb, both pickups on and it kills. I mostly wasn’t happy with Jaguar on lead, Jazzmaster or Strat did it better for me, but for rhythm it was perfect. However honestly, nobody will hear any difference live or on a record, so its just up to you)

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Dodger wrote:

As a rythm guitar player, what would my choice be? And can someone tell me the difference between the two in sound and playability.

There are some nice topics here that discuss this difference in full. However opinions differ sometimes) As for me
Jaguar: hotter, punchier, more dynamic range, raw sound, thinner on clean sound but takes overdrive better. Due to less sustain and more attack takes a lot of reverb better without washing the sound away.
Jazzmaster: rounder, fuller, more sustain, more “polished” sound, great on leads and rhythm as well.
However it really depends on specific guitars. My Thin Skin 62 Jazzmaster is brighter and punchier than my 50s anniversary Jaguar, but other Jazzmasters I had before were not, for example.
Concerning the short scale/long scale, I really do not feel any difference besides the level of heavy gauge comfort usage that is slightly better in Jaguar.

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Lost Diver

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Last edited: May 22, 2022 13:14:21

They are very different to play. I found the Jag quite cramped and fiddly to play where the Jazz feels more relaxed.

If you're undecided, you have to one of each, they feel very different guitars to me.

I have quite big hands and 6' plus wingspan, so the longer Jazz is more comfortable

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Well, the truth is you're going to end up wanting one of each so I say buy the first one that comes along for a good price!

Redfeather wrote:

Well, the truth is you're going to end up wanting one of each so I say buy the first one that comes along for a good price!

Exactly! You cannot choose Jag or Jaz. You read forum, and ask multiple questions. You test them both in guitar shop but it doesn't help at all. You buy some second hand for a good price because it's near and got nice color, usually it's a Jaguar. You immediately start longing for Jazzmaster and buy it in a couple of month. You are pretty happy for some time but then somehow start thinking of getting back to stratocaster...

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Lost Diver

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https://soundcloud.com/vitaly-yakushin

I tried a friend's Jag when he bought one. Tried it, disliked it.

three years later he's sold the Jag and now bought a Jazzmaster, like everyone else at the moment, it seems.

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da-ron wrote:

I tried a friend's Jag when he bought one. Tried it, disliked it.

three years later he's sold the Jag and now bought a Jazzmaster, like everyone else at the moment, it seems.

I went back to my Jag the past few years after many years playing a JM. Be prudent and get both (budget permitting of course)

Danny Snyder

"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo

I am now playing trumpet with Prince Buster tribute band 'Balzac'

Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta

Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party

Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF

Don't presently own a Jag or a JM (do my surfin' these days on a Hallmark 65 Custom) but for me it's pretty easy.....I'm vertically challenged and have hands to match so I prefer the short scale of the Jag; I can reach chords on that 24" scale neck that are very, very difficult to impossible for me on a 25.5" scale.

DannySnyder wrote:

I went back to my Jag the past few years after many years playing a JM. Be prudent and get both (budget permitting of course)

Agreed! If you like one, you’ll most likely like the other. If you absolutely must choose one, what sound are you after? Both models are super comfortable so to me it comes down to the sound. A tonal metaphor: a jag is like a delicious snack that fills you up for a few hours, a JM is a full hearty and heavy meal that puts you to bed. And now that I have completely cleared things up for you, you’re most welcome.

Daniel Deathtide

I have always wanted a Fender Jag. So a few years ago, I made a 5-hour round trip to Dallas and bought a nice red one. I LOVE the Jag tone...and it is THE surf guitar tone. However, I ended up trading that guitar in for a something else...I forget what. Here's why.

The Jaguar is the most uncomfortable guitar to play standing up. Reason being, if you are right handed, which I am, your right elbow and right shoulder have to reach way over to the left side to strum and do solos. This is of course due to the short 24" scale. I have been playing 25 1/2" scale guitars all my life and playing a Jaguar sitting down is utterly WONDERFUL! However, the few gigs that my band managed to do in 2021 proved to me it's not the best guitar to strum or solo while standing up for 60+ minutes. My right wrist's bottom joint felt strained. My right elbow was always forced to "move over" to the left unnaturally just to strum the guitar in its sweet spot between the two pickups.

I don't regret getting rid of my Jag. If you can't perform comfortably on stage with a guitar, it's not worth having. I have a wonderful Jazzmaster (which I have listed on here for sale but am having second thoughts). Along with that, I have several Strats and they all feel much more ergonomic than a Jaguar.

Maybe it's a height thing with a Jag. I am 5'8" and it's just plain uncomfortable. I am guessing that a shorter person would not feel the way I do. If they made a Jag in 25 1/2", would it still sound like a Jag? Maybe close, but not exactly.

All I can think of...is if they would make a Jag with an extremely long headstock to offset the short neck length...it may be less painful to play Smile

I wonder if anyone feels the same way?

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I can only comment on the Jaguar since I've never played a Jazzmaster (though I'd be mighty grateful if someone handed me one some day). For me it is the ultimate guitar, but that may be because it was the second 6 string guitar I ever owned, after learning how to play on a cheap MIJ Mustang-ish guitar that was never set up to play well.

I was lucky to get a 67 Jaguar back in the 80s when they were cheap, so my comments are based on that model rather than any recent versions. I find it super comfortable to play and don't have the awkward problem Gellert had. I can thrash around on it while moving all over the place and it feels natural. Palm muting is super comfortable (which would be the same with the JM), while I find it annoying on a Strat.

But what I really dig are the sounds I get out of it. The bridge pickup is awesomely biting, and sounds great with overdrive. It's like the ultimate garage rock tone. Both pickups on is perfect for surf or a great Cramps sound. The neck pickup is great for blues/country, and with a lot of overdrive gives you a great raunchy sound. It's versatile for so much of the music I like to play.

I'd say the choice for next guitar comes down to whether you prefer one scale to the other (doesn't matter a whole lot to me) and what other styles of music you like to play. Either would be a good choice for surf.

TL;DR: The perfect guitar 'on paper' may not be the right one for you. You need to try them out and - if possible - different versions/setups of each of those guitars in order to make a sound decision.

Longer story:
For me, I currently own a couple of Strats and a Jag (60s Lacquer) I have owned the Classic Player versions of both the JM and the Jag and those went out the door within a couple of years. I then owned a 60th Anniversary MIM Jazzmaster but I somehow did not gel with it.
Of my 2 Strats, both are wired with Master Vol, Master Tone, and then blender pot. My surf Strat has 11-47 TI flats. The flatwounds, the Neck+Bridge pickup combination, and the playability is really my go-to for the most part. The Jag tone is incredible but I find the playability not measuring up to the Strat. I have not found a JM yet that I am 'home' with and after owing 2, it bums me out a bit. On paper, it seems like the perfect guitar for me...I am a tall guy (the scale is comfortable), the middle position pickup selector is magic, but the bridge pickup alone for me is lacking so much...I want it to have a bit more oomph (mids?) and with less sizzle on the top end(not supercharged!). So, rather than make it something it is not, I traded it in and I am JM-less now.

Lorne
The Surf Shakers: https://www.facebook.com/TheSurfShakers
Vancouver BC Canada

Last edited: May 24, 2022 03:14:36

TheFintastics wrote:

The Jaguar is the most uncomfortable guitar to play standing up.

I am right handed, 5’10” and have had the opposite experience! The jag and JM are the most comfy guitars to play standing up, whereas strats always feel like they’re fighting me. Neck diving all over and the body rocks back and forth. I do sort of “sling” the guitar to my right, never really holding it in front - no buckle damage ever! The guitar is sort of balanced on my hip bone, and it’s so comfortable!! I only play standing up due to right arm nerve damage, can’t bend it to play very much at all. This position also makes it impossible to hold a pick sideways, along the thumb. My thumb is almost directly perpendicular to the pick, it’s pretty awkward but I’ve been forced to get used to it.

Daniel Deathtide

Had three Jags in 10 years, the first one I bought I still have. Love them for rhythm and their 'spanky' sound.
Jazzmaster I owned for 2 years. Never liked it. It's still used in the band but not by me.

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I've only ever played Jags in guitar shops. I think they are nice, but I've had my Jazzmaster for going on 40 years now. It does everything I need it to do for surf, plus it's really very good at everything else I play, from the Beatles to rockabilly. I've always thought the Jag might sound better for surf, but I don't think it's as good an all-around guitar as the Jazzmaster, which I think is even better than my Squire Strat for all-around use.

"We're lousy, we can't play. If you wait until you can play, you'll be too old to get up there. We stink, really. But it's great," Johnny Ramone .

My advice would be to play one of each and see which suits you. I love Jaguars, love the sound, love the pickups and love the controls, but I find the 24” scale a bit tight. I would love to have a Jaguar, with the control plates, etc, but a 25.5” scale.

That having been said, the Jazzmaster is a great instrument, in its own right. The sound is a little different than the Jaguar, but a great sound for Surf. (I’ve all but talked myself into buying one, just from this post.) Smile

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