asgard636
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Posted on Aug 08 2012 06:14 PM
I'd love to get members' input on the best features for a STRAT for surfing- fret size, type neck (V-shaped, C-Shaped, etc.), rosewood or maple fretboard, relic or not, vintage reissue, etc. To get the best surf sound out of a STRAT, The best STRAT model/features, regardless of price....Thanks Much!
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Brian
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Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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Posted on Aug 08 2012 06:28 PM
NONE of that matters. At all.
Edit:
Okay maybe that sounds harsh. But I mean the most critical element is the player. And then the amp. The significance of the Strat features you mention are in the noise compared to player. It's just personal preference at that point.
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asgard636
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Posted on Aug 08 2012 06:28 PM
I want to apologize to everyone for not having spotted the Surfin' Strat thread below.....I'm intruiged by the AV '62 Reissue, which, if I'm not mistaken, comes with a rosewood fretboard only....Is a rosewood vs. maple fretboard a significant difference? I personally think a maple fretboard LOOKS better, but that's not the primary thing here....Would love to get some insight on some of the technical features.....
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Richard
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Georgia
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Posted on Aug 08 2012 08:01 PM
People talk about the differences between maple and rosewood. Some people swear they can here or feel a difference...I can't tell any. Both have been used by a lot different surf guitarists to great effect. Purely a matter of personal preference. If you use the site's search feature you'll find more threads on Stratocasters than you can read in a day.
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Noel
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Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.
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Posted on Aug 08 2012 08:12 PM
I have far too many guitars from chasing the magic potion called playing better through buying another guitar. Now, I like them all (mostly) and I even play them all (mostly). I even have a few highly desireable guitars along with a couple total duds. But I'll probably keep them all anyway. And, there are a couple more guitars that would be a lot of fun to own. But I know I'm not buying anything anymore to play or sound better.
What matters most to how surfy I sound isn't what I play, but how I play. And what controls that is how often and how seriously I practice, and how often I play. Which, unfortunately, in my case is not enough.
Lots of people play great surf on Strats, while others use Jazzmasters, Jaguars, Mosrites, Gretches, DiPintos and more. Some people own and play only one type of guitar while others own and play several kinds. The best guitar players play the best no matter what they play.
I really hope this helps.
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wfoguy
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Posted on Aug 08 2012 09:50 PM
I'm a dummy. On my wall are 2 strats, a vm Jag, a vm jazzmaster with M3 pickups, a vm Tele. The difference that I hear is the scale length more than the rest of the differences. The 25.5's all sound similar. The short scale jag is different. Most of the differences that I hear are from amp and pedal choices. If you figure out what you what in the end,it may make the trip easier to navigate. A strat will do most anything that is surfy.
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Noel
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Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.
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Posted on Aug 08 2012 11:03 PM
To take a different approach, if you're a traditionalist, an AVRI '57 Strat will put you there. Vintage all the way. Tinted Maple fretboard, vintage frets and radius, vintage pickups. Perfect.
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kenposurf
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Santa Rosa, CA
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Posted on Aug 08 2012 11:17 PM
A strat sounds great imo as is..on mine I did swap out the pups for some slightly overwound Novak Jag ones and added a toggle to play neck and bridge together
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asgard636
Joined: Aug 08, 2012
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Posted on Aug 09 2012 07:47 AM
Thanks Gents!- The shot of the AVRI '57 has me drooling lasciviously!
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Noel
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Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.
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Posted on Aug 09 2012 07:51 AM
Has me drooling too. Yep! You've got GAS bad. Look it up here. It's actually lots of fun if your budget can stand the strain.
Put another way, if I were in the market for a new Strat, and could afford the AVRI '57 as shown above, that would be the one I'd buy.
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ColtsSurf
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Posted on Aug 09 2012 09:15 AM
Before you rush out and buy the maple board Strat, you might want to try the '57 in person side by side with the '62 AVRI. Many dealers will have both in stock.
As everyone has said, either will work for surf.
But you might find subtle differences in tone between the two that are meaningful to your decision.
Have fun and best of luck.
— Paul
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Bob_Kennedy
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Mesa, AZ.
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Posted on Aug 09 2012 02:20 PM
It all comes down to personal preference. Things like fret size, fretboard radius, maple vs. rosewood & body wood don't really matter much tone-wise. Just go with what you like. I prefer the 50's look myself, but many say the 60's strats are the most traditional for surf. To me, the sound pretty much the same. Have fun!
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CaptainSensible
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Leesburg, VA
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Posted on Aug 09 2012 02:34 PM
Love the look of a Strat (that 57 above is just beautiful). But, personally, the placement of the volume knob on a Strat drives me so nuts that it is a complete no go for me. Primary reason I sold my Jimmy Vaughan Strat a number of years ago. Well, that and it turned out I liked the v neck less than I did in the store.
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surfaholic
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The sun kissed beeches of Nottingham, UK.
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Posted on Aug 09 2012 04:40 PM
I don't know if there's a tonal difference between them, but I can definately feel a difference between a maple and rosewood board. To me, maple boards are too smooth and almost plasticy feeling, and such I'm almost exclusively a rosewood guy.
My bass has a maple board though, and it doesn't bother me.
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normj
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central Indiana
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Posted on Aug 12 2012 09:38 PM
Brian wrote: NONE of that matters. At all.
I will second that statement. The player is far more important than the gear.
Sure there is a difference. Which is best? There is no best. If there were an absolute best, we all would be playing the same guitar. We each have our preferences. What feels most comfortable, which neck feels best in our hands, and which pickup configuration gives us the sound we want. All subjective. All matters of personal preferences.
I like a vintage neck these days. I generall play a vintage V profile like on a 57 reissue. However, I do also play the thick C profile from the early 60s. I also now play 7 1/4 inch radius fretboards. That combiniation is more comfortable for my stiff fingers. As a kid, I hated that combination (back before the 57 and the 62 were reissues).
If you are looking at an AVRI either 57 or 62, give some thought to tracking down an older one. I believe the 82 through about 86 models were better made. Those were like a custom shop production. A small specially trainded crew making them to try to save Fender. Not a heck of a lot of them made, but they feel better to me than the mass produced later versions. I am fortunate enough to have found three, an 83 AVRI 57 , an 85 AVRI 57 and an 86 AVRI 57. I think all three of the guitars are have a better feel than the later AVRIs. I put them right up there against my Fender Custom Shop NOS 60 in quality.
Talk to you later,
Norm
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FwippaMan
Joined: Jun 28, 2019
Posts: 14
East Coast
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Posted on Dec 15 2020 07:33 PM
How about the Fender Elite Strats? I'm thinking of picking one up, & wondering how they would measure up for Surf, next to a Standard or Professional
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Joelman
Joined: Sep 07, 2006
Posts: 1482
Redlands, CA
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Posted on Dec 15 2020 08:56 PM
I have a fender strat elite HSS.
I love it!
But it isn’t the same as my ‘62 vintage pickup one.
Grab a strat and play it. It you l8ke it you are good. If not move on to another one.
I like my Elite, but it has gizmos that I never really use. Push push switching, and a lead circuit button that seems almost useless to me.
But when I bought it I just new I would need the fancy stuff. But not really.
But it is a dream to play. I love the neck. The sound is a Strats sounds. It’s American built very nicely. And completely worth the money in my opinion.
But most strats now days are. Even the Mexico ones. Try them until one of them makes you happy.
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stratdancer
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Akron, Ohio
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Posted on Dec 16 2020 08:23 AM
I can't attest to the Elite but I have two of it's predecessor which is the American Deluxe. These two guitars are superior for there feel and playability to my American Standards and both have taken over as my main players. The compound radius and the actual carve and finish of the neck are the keys for me. The electronics were all changed to D Allen vintage pickups and traditional control features but includes no-load master tone control and blender pot.
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raylinds
Joined: Jul 05, 2019
Posts: 141
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Posted on Dec 16 2020 08:37 AM
As others have said, things like fret size, neck shape, fretboard wood, etc. don't have a direct impact on tone. But I would add that if you have a guitar that just feels right to you and it is like an extension of your body, you are going to play more often for longer periods and better (mostly as a result of playing more). I think an instrument that truly inspires, even if it is the aesthetics, will make a difference if it means more time woodshedding.
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JohnnyMosrite
Joined: Jun 14, 2006
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New York City area
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Posted on Dec 16 2020 03:59 PM
Asgard,
"To get the best surf sound out of a STRAT, The best STRAT model/features, regardless of price...."
To answer your question.. -
The best reliable STRATS I own are the hardtail/non tremolo types which I mentioned in another thread and got a good rise- some of it quite vulgar by the PMs sent to me - from other forum members. Good fun.
The best hardtails I have were made by ROBIN Guitars in Texas - leagues above Fender in construction quality.
I don't consider the STRAT sound the best for the "surf" I play; it's mostly just what's the least offensive and most reliable (as in least pain in the ass) Strat guitar to me. The middle/bridge position (the "candy sound") does work for some tunes. But there are far better guitars (at least to me) out there. Example - the ESP and Pensa-Suhr "Strats" have a better build quality to them.
All said, I really can't picture a Strat as anything more than an "Erector Set" utility guitar - with a lot of (quite unnecessary if better thought out) "tuning points".
Of those ones I do play,-they all got better pickups and upgrades.
But -It's just remains a cold woman I could never really warm up to. Such is life, I guess.
Occasionally, some well meaning (maybe) clown suggests I sell them since I really don't like them all that much. To that, I say - "Let my estate do that." followed by "Just who the hell might you be?"
All my opinion, of course.
J Mo'
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