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Alex_oddity Joined: Jun 19, 2007 Posts: 87 California	Posted on Aug 14 2007 12:02 PM My band has been recording our music resently and we are using GarageBand on a laptop. I happen to notice there were lots of mistakes that were hard to touch up. Mostly coming from the guitars. Is letting the ending notes ring help make a tansition between 2 guitars? A good example(not surf thou) in Sweet Dream by Marlyn Manson. — "One may smile, and smile, and be a villian" Top
Kawentzmann Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 1060 Berlin, Germany	Posted on Aug 14 2007 04:38 PM I am not sure I get what you mean. A hard stop could be more easy to paste. But you mean crossfades - right? If in doubt, do just one more take, and that can make hours of editing oblivious. KK — The Exotic Guitar of Kahuna Kawentzmann You can get the boy out of the Keynes era, but you can’t get the Keynes era out of the boy. Top
Alex_oddity Joined: Jun 19, 2007 Posts: 87 California	Posted on Sep 03 2007 04:22 AM We are all impatient, lol. We are trying are best to get our sound in check — "One may smile, and smile, and be a villian" Top
JakeDobner Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle	Posted on Sep 03 2007 09:16 AM Don't touch up the guitar parts. Record in one take. You'll get better that way. Top
Alex_oddity Joined: Jun 19, 2007 Posts: 87 California	Posted on Sep 04 2007 12:25 AM When covering a song, is it better to add your own touch to the song, or is that only okay when on stage. Ice had an argument with my band mates that Ive been destroying the song with all the added parts. Not really added, the originals are just simple clear riffes, Im adding pick slides and extra notes in between all the dead parts. I think its sounds awsome when we practice together, but is it alright during the recording? — "One may smile, and smile, and be a villian" Top
Spud Joined: Jul 23, 2007 Posts: 666 Oz	Posted on Sep 04 2007 01:18 AM Don't touch up the guitar parts. Record in one take. You'll get better that way. Word up. When covering a song, is it better to add your own touch to the song, or is that only okay when on stage. Ice had an argument with my band mates that Ive been destroying the song with all the added parts. Not really added, the originals are just simple clear riffes, Im adding pick slides and extra notes in between all the dead parts. I think its sounds awsome when we practice together, but is it alright during the recording? Whatever floats your boat will be just fine. However.... silence can be golden. Top
RobbieReverb Joined: Feb 28, 2006 Posts: 2351 San Jose, Ca.	Posted on Sep 04 2007 01:23 AM Alexoddity_ When covering a song, is it better to add your own touch to the song, or is that only okay when on stage. Ice had an argument with my band mates that Ive been destroying the song with all the added parts. Not really added, the originals are just simple clear riffes, Im adding pick slides and extra notes in between all the dead parts. I think its sounds awsome when we practice together, but is it alright during the recording? I'm of the opinion that you always want to make the music that you're playing your own. No matter how good they are, I never enjoy bands of any genre that try to exactly mimic the original song being covered. Inject your own style into it. You'll enjoy it more, and often the audience will, as well. If you take originals waaaaay out there, you'll probably alienate some people, but others will probably enjoy it. A band rarely pleases everybody. Believe in what you do, and you'll come out ahead in the long run. Bob — Bob Top
CaptainSpringfield Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 4387 Under the Sun	Posted on Sep 04 2007 02:21 AM Think of it this way--if your goal for a cover song is to copy the original exactly, why should someone listen to your version? -Warren — That was excessively violent and completely unnecessary. I loved it. Top
Alex_oddity Joined: Jun 19, 2007 Posts: 87 California	Posted on Sep 04 2007 11:20 PM Try explaining that top my band of hard heads. Im not geting my share of recording, they're recording my part for me. I think its time to leave those A-holes — "One may smile, and smile, and be a villian" Top
RobbieReverb Joined: Feb 28, 2006 Posts: 2351 San Jose, Ca.	Posted on Sep 05 2007 01:14 AM Alexoddity_ Try explaining that top my band of hard heads. Im not geting my share of recording, they're recording my part for me. I think its time to leave those A-holes I'm sorry that you're having to go through that, Alex. Stick to your guns, and/or find some more open-minded people to play with. I could not play with people that intolerant and closed-minded. good luck! Bob — Bob Top
casey Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 521	Posted on Sep 05 2007 10:32 AM Its all a matter of taste, and tastes vary among musicians. My approach is usually to keep the improvisational "fills" to a minimum when playing the melody of a well known standard such as "Perfidia" or "Telstar". (I've read that Duane Eddy's producer would not allow him any leeway to improvise on his recordings). That said, I also try to do an arrangement that will allow us to make the song "ours". In "Perfidia", we have a section where an improvised lead is played over the standard chord changes; in "Telstar" the melody line is played once using octaves for a little variety. Just my opinion, but simpler usually sounds better to me. Casey Top
JoshHeartless Joined: Jun 17, 2006 Posts: 1010 Bay City, Michigan	Posted on Sep 05 2007 01:06 PM in my opinion, if your covering a song, the only changes should be in the tone of the guitar. why would anyone listen to your version over the original if it is performed the same? well, there's obviously going to be differences in the guitar tone, and just the overall style of the band. we cover banzai washout and quite honestly i'd listen to our version over dick dale's because i like my guitar sound better than his (in that song, anyways) we also play the song pretty much the same, but not every little detail is the same, obviously. so even if you don't change or re-arrange the song, it's going to sound different. sure, i like hearing other peoples' take on songs, but in my band, i prefer to keep things the same, except rythm guitar parts. im the only guitarist, so of course there are some songs we cannot play, but in some the bass fills it in fine. we play buistin surfboards good without a rythm guitar. we do, however, play our own version of dick dale's more improvised miserlou, it sounds really cool. other than that we don't really change things too much. — The Tremblors on Facebook! The Tremblors on MySpace! Top
Alex_oddity Joined: Jun 19, 2007 Posts: 87 California	Posted on Sep 05 2007 11:07 PM Im gonna wait til there done recording there stuff, then Im impravizing my own stuff. I will not take no for an answer — "One may smile, and smile, and be a villian" Top
Kawentzmann Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 1060 Berlin, Germany	Posted on Sep 06 2007 03:47 AM If a song benefits from tension, what you called âdead partsâ alternating with busier parts, like Rumble, your style of filling the gaps might indeed harm the song. Iâve seen this happening. In any case, make sure and do your best that your style is beneficial to getting a really great version. And try to leave the musicianâs standpoint and and get in the listenerâs seat for a clear view of what you are doing. KK — The Exotic Guitar of Kahuna Kawentzmann You can get the boy out of the Keynes era, but you can’t get the Keynes era out of the boy. Top
planish Joined: Jan 09, 2008 Posts: 473 Sackville, New Brunswick	Posted on Mar 05 2008 01:30 AM If you're a "tribute band", then I think the audience would not want to be surprised by extreme deviations from the original popularized versions. It would be like an actor stepping out of character. At least stick to embellishments that are plausibly like what the original performers might do. I you're just doing covers, without attempting to portray the original performers, then it's a different story. For instance, I find that I prefer listening to recent covers of Pipeline more than listening to The Chantays' version. I think it's their keyboard in the bridge that annoys me. It still doesn't mean that I like all recent covers of Pipeline. — I'm not a complete idiot. Some parts are missing. Top
badash Joined: Aug 18, 2006 Posts: 1732	Posted on Mar 21 2008 10:44 AM Alexoddity_ Is letting the ending notes ring help make a tansition between 2 guitars? A good example(not surf thou) in Sweet Dream by Marlyn Manson. Listen to comfortably numb by Floyd. The solos are cobbled together from maybe six different solos only using sliders to bring up or drop down volume according to Gilmore-san... Compare it to something more modern that's pro-tooled to death. Is one approach superior to your ear? That may be your answer... P.S. it both broke my heart and was liberating when I found out that Gilmore always worked that way... Sad that he didn't really just play that way off the cuff, and happy that NOBODY just plays that way off the cuff... Top
DannySnyder Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 11053 Berkeley, CA	Posted on Mar 21 2008 11:20 AM Try to negotiate a compromise with the band, it's hard to get enough players to start a surf band. My experience is that starting any band from scratch is rife with difficulty and frustration. Find out if the hard truth is that they just don't like your particular spin and they're just making an excuse, or if they sincerely want to play it verbatim. I have to play a few songs verbatim in one of my bands which I don't really care to do, but it's balanced with playing some originals as well as some of my own arrangements. I've found that I'm comfortable with this enough not to make an issue. Also I like my bandmates and if playing a few songs verbatim makes them happy, then I'm glad to be able to do that for them. However, if it were every song....: — Danny Snyder "With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF Top
dp Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 3546 mojave desert, california	Posted on Mar 22 2008 02:15 PM JakeDobner Don't touch up the guitar parts. Record in one take. You'll get better that way. Jake, well said...my philosophy exactly...a single take that works sounds 1,000,000 times better than a lifeless cobbled together piece-by-piece punched-in track... and, like you said, the practice is good for you... Top

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