Squid
Joined: Aug 22, 2010
Posts: 1019
Portland, Oregon with Insanitizers
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Posted on Aug 26 2020 02:45 PM
DeathTide wrote:
Squid wrote:
After growing up on Classical Music, I believe that much of my pleasure from surf guitar music derives from similarities to it. This reminds me of my ambition to write a surf guitar piece with themes adapted from Mahler's Symphony #2.
That sounds awesome!! Please do it!
DeathTide, thanks to your encouragement I did it with the song "The Challenge" on my new Space Force album. Now you know one reason for this title.
https://insanitizers.bandcamp.com/track/the-challenge
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DeathTide
Joined: Apr 13, 2018
Posts: 1380
New Orleans
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Posted on Aug 26 2020 08:47 PM
Wow awesome! I listened to the track just now and I really like how trippy it is, so much noise at times! What a cool and complicated adaptation. The ending really packs a punch. I usually like a clean guitar tone but your playing fits that tone pretty well! Purchased.
Holy crap that first song is incredible! Such a cool heavy tone there. I definitely get that carnival space vibe. Have you read Sergio Aragonés Space Circus comic? So far this album could be a soundtrack to that. The clowns are a race of bloodthirsty monsters kept in a locked dorm.
Dan
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Squid
Joined: Aug 22, 2010
Posts: 1019
Portland, Oregon with Insanitizers
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Posted on Aug 26 2020 11:02 PM
DeathTide wrote:
Wow awesome! I listened to the track just now and I really like how trippy it is, so much noise at times! What a cool and complicated adaptation. The ending really packs a punch. I usually like a clean guitar tone but your playing fits that tone pretty well! Purchased.
Holy crap that first song is incredible! Such a cool heavy tone there. I definitely get that carnival space vibe. Have you read Sergio Aragonés Space Circus comic? So far this album could be a soundtrack to that. The clowns are a race of bloodthirsty monsters kept in a locked dorm.
Dan
Hey, Dan, thanks for the encouragement, and thanks again for the purchase! I deeply appreciate it.
Sergio Aragonés--I think I've seen his comics in Mad Magazine, but I don't recall seeing Space Circus. Of course I agree that the songs on the Space Force album can be soundtracks.
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pscates
Joined: Oct 26, 2013
Posts: 45
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Posted on Sep 19 2020 07:20 PM
While aware of this music most of my life (I'm 51), I got seriously into this stuff back in 2012-2013. The box sets, I'm on Apple Music so I can listen to anything at any time, I'm constantly prowling around YouTube for stuff, etc. I'm mainly a fan/follower of the original "first wave" stuff (but I enjoy it all). But in these 7-8 years that I've been absorbing and learning all this, just listening to that original batch of stuff from the early-mid 60's, I hear so many similar things.
That descending Andalusian thing talked about upthread {"Pintor", about 55 Ventures songs, etc.), and then all the songs that do the Spanish-sounding half-step thing (E -> F) like "Latin'ia", "Malagueña", and, of course, all the basic I-IV-V stuff. And don't forget all the things like "Misirlou", "Exotic", "Harem Bells", etc. that have that Middle Eastern vibe/scale. I can't listen to "Harem Bells" without thinking of a camel loping along.
It never really occurs to me that there's any ripping off taking place, just variations on established themes and tropes. But things are different keys, tempos, intensity, structures, etc. that, while similar I just view in the same way I do a lot of 50's rock 'n' roll (three-chord I-IV-V and all the songs that do the C-Am-F-G type of progression) and 60's British Invasion music...a lot of songs are gonna sound like each other, especially in a genre like surf where the styles above (Spanish, Middle Eastern and blues/rock 'n' roll I-IV-V) seem to represent so much of that original early 60's output.
The bassline to the Trashmen's "Malagueña" and The Sentinals' "Latin'ia" are the exact same notes/key. A slight variation in the picking, but you could almost swap them out and nobody would know. That's one of about 45 trillion examples in the genre.
I think it's all interesting, and just doing what rock 'n' roll has always done.
Last edited: Sep 19, 2020 19:21:42
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