raylinds
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Posted on Jun 15 2020 05:44 PM
I have started a project to create databases of important specs for all vintage Fender Tweed and Brownface amps in Excel Spreadsheets. The information was very scattered and I had to consult 6 or 7 sources, so I think It will be nice to have all the info in one place.
I am posting a link to the spreadsheet I started so people can provide feedback. Please let me know if there is additional information that you think would be helpful and feel free to correct any inaccuracies.
I eventually want to include notes on the sounds of the different models. When it is done I will be happy to post it here for download in that is okay.
Please share your thoughts and criticism.
It can be downloaded here.
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synchro
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Posted on Jun 15 2020 06:01 PM
You are a noble man. Great project!
— The artist formerly known as: Synchro
When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.
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raylinds
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Posted on Jun 15 2020 06:08 PM
synchro wrote:
You are a noble man. Great project!
Thanks, If this turns out well, I might do Black and Silverfaces, too.
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synchro
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Posted on Jun 15 2020 06:20 PM
raylinds wrote:
synchro wrote:
You are a noble man. Great project!
Thanks, If this turns out well, I might do Black and Silverfaces, too.
Automatic sainthood! 
— The artist formerly known as: Synchro
When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.
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Gilette
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Posted on Jun 16 2020 04:08 AM
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raylinds
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Posted on Jun 16 2020 08:16 AM
Gilette wrote:
Good thinking, but the Mediafire file hosting site is known as a scam and spam source. Could you make it available on a more secure site? Or maybe on the download section on this site.
I didn't know that, I can't see how to post in the download section. Any idea of what would be a more secure site or how to upload it here?
Thanks,
Ray
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Gilette
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Posted on Jun 16 2020 08:42 AM
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DeathTide
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Posted on Jun 16 2020 09:15 AM
OSG members can help as well, mightily. This is awesome!!
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raylinds
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Posted on Jun 16 2020 09:41 AM
Gilette wrote:
raylinds wrote:
Gilette wrote:
Good thinking, but the Mediafire file hosting site is known as a scam and spam source. Could you make it available on a more secure site? Or maybe on the download section on this site.
I didn't know that, I can't see how to post in the download section. Any idea of what would be a more secure site or how to upload it here?
Thanks,
Ray
Easy. Go to https://surfguitar101.com/downloads/ (see left column), and click on 'Add'. After that you can select your files, add a description, and after Brian reviewed it it's available to all of us.
I just submitted- thanks.
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raylinds
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Posted on Jun 16 2020 09:43 AM
DeathTide wrote:
OSG members can help as well, mightily. This is awesome!!
What is OSG? I would appreciate any help.
Thanks,
Ray
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raylinds
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Posted on Jun 16 2020 09:48 AM
I wanted to elaborate on where I eventually want to go with this database. The idea is to provide technical information on the construction of these amps with an emphasis on what aspects contribute to the signature sound of the various Fender models and how they evolved over time.
For example, many early models used a Grid Leak bias on the preamp tubes, which provided a very distinct sound to these amps. I eventually would like to include descriptions of the sound of each amp as well as examples of what artists used them and any recordings they appeared on.
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synchro
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Posted on Jun 17 2020 12:35 AM
raylinds wrote:
I wanted to elaborate on where I eventually want to go with this database. The idea is to provide technical information on the construction of these amps with an emphasis on what aspects contribute to the signature sound of the various Fender models and how they evolved over time.
For example, many early models used a Grid Leak bias on the preamp tubes, which provided a very distinct sound to these amps. I eventually would like to include descriptions of the sound of each amp as well as examples of what artists used them and any recordings they appeared on.
These are some of the best amps ever designed. It’s really amazing that one man could accomplish so much, but he had a gift for building great amps. I can’t think of a bad Fender that Leo designed.
I have three favorite amps, which are refinements of Fender amps. My Winfield Tremor is along the lines of a Tweed Vibrolux or a Brownface Princeton, with a couple of tweaks. It’s an exceptionally good sounding amp; sweet and smooth. It’s my favorite Surf amp.
I have a Winfield Elizabeth, which is a refinement of an AB-763, something along the lines of a Blackface Pro. Leo had an absolute winner with that design, and having both a midrange control and a bright switch makes it a bit of a Swiss Army Knife. Crank up the midrange, while turning the bright switch off, and you can approach a Brownface vibe. Set the midrange to 5, turn on the bright switch and it sounds like a Blackface Deluxe, with a very rich built in reverb that even knows how to drip. All Fender ideas.
I also have a ‘68 Custom Deluxe Reverb, which has basically a Super Reverb tone stack in the Custom channel. (They market it as a Bassman tone stack, but I don’t see much similarity.) However, the Blackface Super Reverb had a lower cap value for the midrange, which preserved more midrange than the tone stack of the average Deluxe. I played a Super Reverb once and loved the sound, but lugging one of those monsters is not something I would care to do. The ‘68 CDR gets closer to the Super Reverb sound on the Custom channel. The Vintage channel is a typical Deluxe Reverb without the C10, the Bright Cap. Both channels have the great tube reverb of a Deluxe.
My point in all of this is that there isn’t a timbre producing element in these amps that were not products of Leo Fender’s design genius.
— The artist formerly known as: Synchro
When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.
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raylinds
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Posted on Jun 18 2020 10:00 AM
I have essentially finished the Tweed and Brownface databases, but I have not been able to find a safe hosting site that is free. You are only supposed to submit files for upload here once, so I am not sure ongoing tweaking of files would be possible- I might have to wait until they are finished.
If anyone knows if a site where I can post these, I would be happy to share. An alternative could be to PM me your email if you want copies.
Thanks,
Ray
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psychonaut
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Posted on Jun 18 2020 10:51 AM
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DeathTide
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Posted on Jun 18 2020 11:00 AM
psychonaut wrote:
They're really not that different from each other
Disagree.
Raylinds - here are two places you must post this. These users are steeped in these circuits and can give you incredible experience and knowledge. Someone may have already done what you did even! There was a fascinating thread recently about the Tremolux (5A9?) circuit and how only an obscure Hammond OT is the closest one can get to spec.
http://offsetguitars.com
https://www.tdpri.com
— Daniel Deathtide
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psychonaut
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Posted on Jun 18 2020 11:07 AM
DeathTide wrote:
psychonaut wrote:
They're really not that different from each other
Disagree.
Raylinds - here are two places you must post this. These users are steeped in these circuits and can give you incredible experience and knowledge. Someone may have already done what you did even! There was a fascinating thread recently about the Tremolux (5A9?) circuit and how only an obscure Hammond OT is the closest one can get to spec.
http://offsetguitars.com
https://www.tdpri.com
I'll have to double disagree then. I'm speaking from personal experience with my own amp collection.
Also, someone has already gathered all this info
http://www.thevintagesound.com/ffg/
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LHR
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Posted on Jun 18 2020 12:12 PM
A few of things come to mind.
First, no way I am comfortable downloading an .xlsx file. I'd take a CSV any day. This should be probably be posted as a public-facing Google Sheet or something. A table on a website would be even better.
Second, even if I were, the link is dead.
Third, Ampwares has some good info: http://ampwares.com/era/brownface/
Also check by model name for more brownness.
— SSIV
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LHR
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Posted on Jun 18 2020 12:23 PM
Try Wix.
raylinds wrote:
I have essentially finished the Tweed and Brownface databases, but I have not been able to find a safe hosting site that is free. You are only supposed to submit files for upload here once, so I am not sure ongoing tweaking of files would be possible- I might have to wait until they are finished.
If anyone knows if a site where I can post these, I would be happy to share. An alternative could be to PM me your email if you want copies.
Thanks,
Ray
— SSIV
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DeathTide
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Posted on Jun 18 2020 03:57 PM
Start a thread already, no need to clutter this one. We’re both right y’know.
psychonaut wrote:
DeathTide wrote:
psychonaut wrote:
They're really not that different from each other
Disagree.
Raylinds - here are two places you must post this. These users are steeped in these circuits and can give you incredible experience and knowledge. Someone may have already done what you did even! There was a fascinating thread recently about the Tremolux (5A9?) circuit and how only an obscure Hammond OT is the closest one can get to spec.
http://offsetguitars.com
https://www.tdpri.com
I'll have to double disagree then. I'm speaking from personal experience with my own amp collection.
Also, someone has already gathered all this info
http://www.thevintagesound.com/ffg/
— Daniel Deathtide
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psychonaut
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Posted on Jun 18 2020 04:37 PM
DeathTide wrote:
Start a thread already, no need to clutter this one. We’re both right y’know.
psychonaut wrote:
DeathTide wrote:
psychonaut wrote:
They're really not that different from each other
Disagree.
Raylinds - here are two places you must post this. These users are steeped in these circuits and can give you incredible experience and knowledge. Someone may have already done what you did even! There was a fascinating thread recently about the Tremolux (5A9?) circuit and how only an obscure Hammond OT is the closest one can get to spec.
http://offsetguitars.com
https://www.tdpri.com
I'll have to double disagree then. I'm speaking from personal experience with my own amp collection.
Also, someone has already gathered all this info
http://www.thevintagesound.com/ffg/
How exactly am I cluttering up this thread? What I posted was absolutely germain to the topic at hand. I also posted a link to the Fender amp field guide, which is exactly the type of database being proposed. Not sure why you feel the need to admonish me to start another thread.
Furthermore, I don't know that we're both right, since you didn't really elaborate on why you disagreed, nor provided any backing argument for that disagreement.
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