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I picked up The Avalanches “Ski Surfin’” yesterday and it got me going down a rabbit hole. I did a cursory search but couldn’t find what I was looking for so my question is this: is there an exhaustive list of Wrecking Crew related surf LPs?

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I don't think there is a list, Hal Baine played drums on over 30,000 songs as a example and he couldn't even remember them all.

The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds Sessions (Backing tracks) was definitely one.)

Jan and Dean records was another,

The Pyramids - recorded at Goldstar studios, so assume some of the crew was on those records I would imagine ???

Glenn Campbell played on the Super Stocks LP's and so did a few others, not sure what studio that was being the crew played in like 4 different studios around LA.

Generally they played on a host of different genres and styles as well. I guess the only was to check would be to see if the info is on the original records which I doubt it would be being they didn't want the public to know all that music was created by the same 40 players.

What is your source for stating that The Pyramids recorded at Gold Star?

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Man, Ski Surfin' with the Avalanches is one of my absolute favorite albums. I bought the CD just to get a little more info on who played what.

I'm kind of surprised that I've never seen some sort of index like that. It seems like a great subject for music nerds to crowd source, like the Cosimo Code

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Sorry about that ...I was thinking of American International films - Bikini Beach movie sound track - oops The Pyramids went in Sunset Sound Studio for that. Gary Usher wrote those two songs they recorded. Usher did use a few guys from the crew though. (Surfin' Guitars - Robert J Dalley) is Willy Glover on here, maybe he knows?

The Chipmunks were recorded at Goldstar though Cool Alvin.

I think it would be extremely hard to find a complete list being so many songs were recorded through a week back then, Sometimes they worked on 5 songs a day, it was a assembly line type operation. One example was Hal Baine had two drum kits. One for a session in one studio and another being moved to a next one by two guys he hired to do that. When one session was done he would drive to the other studio while his crew took apart the last drum kit used and moved it to the next studio, there was that much work back then.

Hal Baine played live with Jan and Dean a few times. Glenn Campbell played for the Beach Boys live a short while as well. So some crew members are connected that way at least.

ElMonstroPorFavor wrote:

I'm kind of surprised that I've never seen some sort of index like that. It seems like a great subject for music nerds to crowd source, like the Cosimo Code

Yeah I'm totally Nerdsville when it come to this stuff and never found much on it either.

I think what happened was there is so much material created from 1962 to 1966, how could you even catalog that much information. look how many singles and LPs were made back then. You never think of how many songs were created and recorded in such a short time frame of only 4 years.

I looked on the net a lot, will post if I ever find anything, but not holding my breath to find anything.

Here are some samples off the top of my head:
Jerry Cole - https://youtu.be/a6oB1vqDgBY
Al Casey - https://youtu.be/AH244lM4OTQ
The Catalinas - https://youtu.be/ZYsLtw49KC8
Jack Nietzsche - https://youtu.be/1o_5z6-OIPYhe Hondells - https://youtu.be/3FNtv0tKFBQ
The Deuce Coupes - https://youtu.be/cKZGXJy8LXQ
Super Stocks - https://youtu.be/rB6cQPvPEfU
Steve Douglas - https://youtu.be/FOLf9eER88A
The Challengers - https://youtu.be/DhYZ6TUhyH4
The Tides - https://youtu.be/IToiq4aOToo
Rincon Surfside Band - https://youtu.be/0aVBiEXzuBI
Dick Dale - https://youtu.be/Jx1cKFoZdxQ
Hal Blaine - https://youtu.be/HDEnZFTmIYY
Bruce Johnston - https://youtu.be/yL9XhyqQrRM
Bruce & Terry - https://youtu.be/OBWhaJXIN7o
Jan and Dean - https://youtu.be/8N7WosX8ICs
The Kickstands - https://youtu.be/hTQ3b31e6Bg
The Surf Stompers - https://youtu.be/1QBdTITe6yk
The T Bones - https://youtu.be/RNyk73nPVsE
The Marketts - https://youtu.be/eUZa1bDY2JI
Jan Davis - https://youtu.be/qDcoZwFHpq0
Rally Packs - https://youtu.be/nExmc_9xG48

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Killer list, spskins!
Class is in session. Cool

Cool list. I'm going to bookmark this thread.Man that Jack Nietzsche song is epic. I always play that melody on my Bass VI every time I pick it up.

I can think of a few more: "Surf Beat Vol. 2" by the Surf Riders and "Sidewalk Surfin'" by the Good Guys are two LPs combining the guitar work of Paul Johnson, Art Fisher and John Anderson with Hal Blaine's drumming and the saxophone of Steve Douglas.
Then there are the LPs by Richie Allen & the Pacific Surfers, which were done by primarily by studio musicians like Richard Podolor and Sandy Nelson; two names not primarily associated with the Wrecking Crew.

Actually I don't think the Wrecking Crew or studio musicians were as important for surf music as they were for general pop music at that time. In the documentary movie the claim is often repeatet, that "40 musicians played on all the hit records", but wasn't the larger bulk of surf recordings done by teenagers in smaller studios? (Also I remember that they mixed up some record covers in the movie in cases, where there were releases aided by the Wrecking Crew and releases done by the bands themselves, as in the case of the Surfaris.)

Surfing_Sam61 wrote:

Glenn Campbell played on the Super Stocks LP's and so did a few others, not sure what studio that was being the crew played in like 4 different studios around LA.

As far as I know, the primary lead guitar player on the Super Stocks records is Richard Podolor (aka Richie Allen), and it pretty much sounds like him all the way, too.

Los Apollos - cinematic surf music trio (Berlin)
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"Chaos at the Lobster Lounge" available as LP and download on Surf Cookie Records!

Could be, documentation wasn't very good in those times. But on Wikipedia they say below. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Super_Stocks

"The Super Stocks were a California studio band created by Gary Usher in 1964 to capitalize on the popularity of surf music and hot rods. Usher's bands distinguished themselves from other studio creations by the quality of the session musicians - the Super Stocks made use of Wrecking Crew session musicians, including guitarist Glen Campbell.[1] The band produced three albums on Capitol."

Even the Wrecking Crew tag didn't come out to much later after surf in the late 1960's, but yeah hard to tell who played what.

Interestingly enough, Discogs lists two other Surf/Hot Rod projects with Glenn Campbell and other "wreckers" as members: The Knights (with Gary Usher, Hal Blaine and Steve Douglas) and the Glaciers (again with Hal Blaine):
https://www.discogs.com/artist/175776-Glen-Campbell

They don't list the Super Stocks though... My initial information about their line-up came from Phil Dirt's Reverb Central Database (just to be complete):
http://reverbcentral.com/reviews/s/super1852.html

Since the names of the musicians are not on the record sleeve, I don't see myself in the position to make a final call on the line-up. But I trust Phil Dirt's research a little more than that of Wikipedia. Wink

Los Apollos - cinematic surf music trio (Berlin)
"Postcards from the Scrapyard" Vol. 1, 2 & 3 NOW available on various platforms!
"Chaos at the Lobster Lounge" available as LP and download on Surf Cookie Records!

The Super Stocks is Podolor. Maybe Campbell was involved? But the guy driving that car was Podolor.

All my surf stuff is packed up in boxes but there was a Pipeline magazine issue with a large article devoted to Podolor a few years ago that is quite revelatory.

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Yes, we have to be careful with the term "Wrecking Crew" a loose group of session musicians in LA in the late 50s, 60s and 70s. We tend to assume it was always Hal Blaine, Carol Kaye, and Tommy Tedesco, but this was not always so. It was a revolving door. To my ear, Earl Palmer is on more of the "surf" dates than Hal Blaine and then, as mentioned, guitarists like Richie Podolor and Davie Allan were brought in for The Hondells and Super Stocks tracks, maybe since they were more "well-versed" in surf guitar than Tommy Tedesco or Glen Campbell, but probably because they were cheaper than those guys per hour. Gary Usher wasn't yet GARY USHER.
The surf/hot rod instrumentals were also pretty forgetful to the Wrecking Crew. Why would you remember an easy surf song you knocked out in one take, when later that day, Brian Wilson, Phil Spector or Bones Howe came in and challenged you with a pop masterpiece that would go to no. 1 and stay in heavy rotation on the airwaves for the next 50 years and beyond? It was trashy filler for them.

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Yeah Wikipedia is not always 100 percent, but a good introduction sometimes on most subjects. Have to admit The Super Stocks info was lame on there.

That Pipeline article sounds cool, That's the first I heard of a more detailed exposition etc.

Yeah from what I understand listing to YouTube interviews, The Wrecking Crew tag wasn't used till about the time The Carpenters started recording at A&M records studio in 1969. They wanted Hal Baine but he turned them down having never heard of The Carpenters before, but did play for them later on. But it was made up of the same 40 players found on recordings before that time. One interview with Carol Kaye had here saying she quit the rock sessions in 69 to play on movie sound tracks and Jazz recordings after that etc. Drugs made it into the studio and she didn't like that so moved on.

One interview had Hal Baine saying Kaye didn't even play bass on most recordings and actually played Baritone Guitar instead. He seemed to be a little hostile toward her stories, they definitely were at odds with one another.

I'm not sure, being a lot of interviews conflict that I did see, I do remember Glenn Campbell saying he played on The Super Stocks LPs, but I think he said it was rhythm not lead. He had a story that Tommy Tedesco could read music upside down and that use to really freak him out.

Tommy Tedesco interviews are pretty good, he usually tells how he tricked producers playing the same exact stuff on various sessions. he was a funny guy.

There was a big rotation of players at sessions and even different studios around LA, so I guess most of that history in in limbo at this point, maybe somebody will find notes somewhere in the future, many studio guys kept note books to be sure they got paid. I can't remember the guys name now but he moved to Nashville in the mid 70's when studio work died off, then moved to Atlanta, but he had every session written down in like 10 notebooks etc. That would be the best source for a book writer to start with even over record sleeves being the record companies didn't want the public to know most of the tracks had the same 40 players.

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Stephen J.McParland has written 5 books about Gary Usher and his many
"groups". Saying that Richie Podolor was "The Super Stocks" is very
V E R Y short sighted.
Please do some more research - many good books,magazins, articles and countless cds and dvd´s are available.
Check this site please:
https://cmusicbooks.wordpress.com/page/
RUEDIGER
PS: John Blair´s book "The Illustrated Discography of Surf Music 1961- 1965" from 2008 and the "Illustrated Discography of Hot Rod Music 1961 - 1965" from 2016 are stillavailable from John´s homepage.
Buy these great books and find out who was when in what band!!!!

Last edited: Aug 22, 2019 13:15:00

Ruediger is correct, I mentioned Davie Allan for The Hondells. Other guitarists for The Super Stocks/Hondells included Paul Johnson (who did a lot of session work), Billy Strange, and Jerry Cole. It wasn't a set thing with this certain group of musicians will always record The Super Stocks...or whatever band.

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Yeah I just looked up the Stephen J.McParland books on eBay, looks like they go for about 99 dollars now Shock I never heard of those three books till now . .. interesting. Cool

I didn't get around to get Discography of Hot Rod Music 1961 - 1965 yet, I have the other one. Amazing how many bands recorded surf back then. Cool

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