synchro
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Posted on Nov 26 2017 01:12 PM
A few years ago, I fulfilled a lifelong dream of buying a Bass VI, ending up with a MIJ VI imported in 2013. The instrument is fine, but the pickups are far too bright. (I went through the same thing with a MIJ ‘66 Jaguar RI a few years back.) I want to replace the pickups, but I’m going to ask for suggestions before reaching for the olde Visa card.
On my MIJ Jaguar, I ended up using the slightly hotter than stock Seymour Duncan pickup set. This was a huge improvement, but it was still pretty bright. I want the VI to end up mellow, but not dark. I definitely want it to sound like a Surf era instrument, but hope that it has enough sonic range to be capable of doing a bass part credibly.
Let the suggestions fly. 


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montereyjack66
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Posted on Nov 26 2017 07:59 PM
There's the question. I have the Squire bass VI. The factory pups are OK but could be better. I have no clue what to replace them with if I ever decide to. If it helps, I always leave the bridge pup off because 1. It sounds too Strat like. 2. Because my guitar player uses a Strat, it tends to cause unwanted mish mosh in the mix, I am playing it as a bass GUITAR and am not interested in competing sonic-lee with other instruments.You may use yours in a different role and have different needs. Mainly, I just rely on my various tone knobs to get me close. The one real headache is that, while you can fine tune the pups on a guitar to find your sweet spot, it is in the nature of bass strings to vibrate REALLY WIDE - thus making the sweet spot only successful some of the time and veering into over saturated white noise at other times. TO some extent, this can be compensated for with technique, but not always. I'd LOVE to hear what others think.
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synchro
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Posted on Nov 26 2017 09:00 PM
Great to see you, MJ.
In the case of this VI, it takes all tree pickups and a deep tone cut to get it into J Bass territory. The Custom Shop VI I used to have had a better bass sound than this, but was still capable of being bright enough to use as a baritone guitar in a Surf setting.
As a bass, my current VI actually sounds sort of like a funk bass, which is cool enough (and surprising for a short scale) but not what I’m lookimg for. I may even consider leaving the bridge pickup as is and simply replacing the neck and middle pickups for greater midrange.
I’m curious about Seymour Duncan Quarter Pounders, but I’d like to hear from some Surf players to get their input. I want to attenuate the brightness, but I’m not interested in making this into an overdrive monster.
We Bass VI players are a rare breed and we gotta stick together. 
P.S.
I used this VI to double-track the Guitar part on an instrumental of Secret Agent Man, a while back. It really added. IIRC, the lead Guitar was a Guild Starfire III and it was plenty twangy. The VI, an octave lower, just added authority to the overall sound.
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JakeDobner
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Posted on Nov 26 2017 10:09 PM
Bass VI!!
I have AV'62 pickups in my Bass VI. They are out of my Jag that I upgraded to AV'65 pickups + an AV'62 I acquired by itself.
I have to recommend the AV'65 pickups to you. They are simply the finest Jag pickups I have ever come across(I've had Lollars, all Fender models and Antiquities.) They are so beautiful, nothing is like them. They are a very clear/transparent sounding pickup. It is as if there is so little coloration, just a very clean frequency curve.
You will want these but like me won't get them like me, the Novak VI pickups.
Price + you'd have to route... but it'd be fun, right? http://curtisnovak.com/pickups/BassVI61.shtml
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synchro
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Posted on Nov 26 2017 10:13 PM
Thanks Jake, that’s just the sort of info I’m lookimg for. Do you happen to know, on a VI, is the middle pickup the same as the neck pickup or the bridge pickup?
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JakeDobner
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Posted on Nov 26 2017 10:18 PM
In actuality, I don't know. I used a bridge on mine. Jaguar pickups are generally so close in output that it ultimately won't matter, you can just raise or lower the pickup to make up for output balancing. If you have a preference for the bridge pickup, use a bridge pickup for the middle. If you prefer the neck, get a neck pickup!
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JakeDobner
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Posted on Nov 26 2017 10:20 PM
Also, my VI is a Squier it is worth noting. Your MIJ is a bit nicer. My VI has been completely overhauled in the wiring department/nut/bridge.
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synchro
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Posted on Nov 26 2017 10:21 PM
Makes sense, Jake. My other instruments are mostly Gretsch hollow bodies and there’s a huge difference between bridge and neck pickups in that world, but Leo’s creations a a lot different in this regard.
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synchro
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Posted on Nov 26 2017 10:25 PM
JakeDobner wrote:
Also, my VI is a Squier it is worth noting. Your MIJ is a bit nicer. My VI has been completely overhauled in the wiring department/nut/bridge.
Once you replace the wiring, there isn’t all that much real-World difference.
I really lucked out in finding this VI. I bought it sight unseen from Music Zoo. One Saturday, I went out for breakfast with no idea of buying more than bacon and eggs. Just for the heck of it, I looked to see if there were any VIs on eBay and ran into this one from Music Zoo. I bought it that instant and finished breakfast in shock.
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JakeDobner
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Posted on Nov 26 2017 10:33 PM
The wood on the neck feels a bit better on the CIJ. Whereas the Squier kind of feels hollow, the CIJ it really feels like a more resonant/realer piece of wood. I love the Squier, but the MIJ has a really nice feeling chunk of wood in the 3-4 examples I've played of them.
I'd almost have the describe the Squier as newer/more moist/fibrous and the CIJ as drier. You smack that CIJ neck and it really thwoinks through out the guitar.
I think everybody needs to own a VI. It's a real treat. I like capoing for a baritone and I like capoing on 12 as well. Fingerpicking is a treat.
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synchro
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Posted on Nov 26 2017 10:42 PM
It’s a unique instrument, a step beyond the Dano VI. I saw a picture of one in the ‘67 Fender catalog and have wanted one ever since. At the time, my motivation was simply that it was a bass which would be very easy for a guitar-player to transition to. At the time, I didn’t even begin to understand all of the ramifications. Besides that, it was unique and I’m always a sucker for unique.
A while back, I got a call to play bass at an open stage event. Knowing that almost anything could happen and not knowing what to expect from the other players there, I took my VI and played, mostly straight-ahead bass, but added some upper register things as well.
About 15 years ago, I played in a duo, using a Fender Baritone Custom to hold down the bass part, play some lead work and even play some simple chords in the upper register. It worked quite well, lbeing the 28.5” scale made for a floppy low E string.
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JakeDobner
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Posted on Nov 26 2017 10:48 PM
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Chippertheripper
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Posted on Nov 27 2017 05:27 AM
I just wish the squier pickups were hotter. Mind you, I am not chasing any particular sound, but they’re pretty weak as is. I may invest in a set (neck and bridge to start) qp’s just for that reason, and I’m intrigued what the wider poles might do as MJ hinted at above.
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synchro
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Posted on Nov 27 2017 06:56 AM
That was pretty coool, Jake. I had not even thought of that approach, but it sounds great. It almost sounds like a very husky banjo and a bass playing together.
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so1om
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Posted on Nov 28 2017 01:43 PM
I have a mid 90s MIJ Bass VI reissue. In many ways, the Squier is much better than the MIJ. The MIJ has weak floppy switches. Cheap looking red tort pickguard. Poor wiring. It was the only instrument I have had a pickup fail, the neck pickup. The pickups had soft rubbery insulation, they weren't even potted and the covers are loose. I replaced it with a Fender 62 Jaguar Neck.


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synchro
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Posted on Nov 28 2017 01:53 PM
I remember when those first came out. I had just changed jobs and taken a cut in pay, so I delayed, and then couldn't find one later on. Perhaps that was for the best.
The quality of my Japanese VI is pretty good, but the pickups sound like icepicks trying to imitate razor blades. I've heard that this is common to Fender Japan Jag' pickups.
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synchro
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Posted on Dec 24 2017 11:29 PM
I ended up getting a pair of Fender Vintage ‘65s for the neck and middle position and a vintage ‘62 in the bridge which should give me hum resistance anytime the center pickup and one of the end pickups are on at the same time. Unfortunately, the covers don’t match perfectly, so I may be shopping covers before it’s all over.
Nonetheless, I feel like I made a good overall choice. The stock pots are 250k miniatures, but they are quiet and work just fine, so I left them in place.
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JakeDobner
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Posted on Dec 24 2017 11:48 PM
Would recommend eventually replacing the pots with full-sized 1M pots. 1M pots can be 250K when you turn them down, so putting in 1M causes no harm and brings the VI to its intended and original spec. 1M is really handy for doing things in the baritone register.
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synchro
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Posted on Dec 25 2017 12:02 AM
JakeDobner wrote:
Would recommend eventually replacing the pots with full-sized 1M pots. 1M pots can be 250K when you turn them down, so putting in 1M causes no harm and brings the VI to its intended and original spec. 1M is really handy for doing things in the baritone register.
Ive thought of that, but would need to either get a new control plate with the proper sized holes or drill mine out to size for CTS pots with the attendant risk of losing the plating. Does anyone know; with a MIA control plate fit a 2013 CIJ Bass VI?
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When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.
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LittleKahunaCraig
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Posted on Dec 27 2017 11:05 AM
What type and kind of strings are you using? I’ve had a few Bass VI's and currently have a great custom shop model. Strings make a big difference.
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