Joelman
Joined: Sep 07, 2006
Posts: 1485
Redlands, CA
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Posted on Jul 25 2017 05:27 PM
I've just recently bought a new iMac computer. It comes with the GarageBand app.
so I thought I would dust off the old strat and play around.
To my surprise I have lost a hugh amount of my chops. I of course haven't recorded myself in 8 or so years. So I don't know what I was expecting.
I picked a pretty easy song, and found it took me way to many takes to get the lead track right.
My question, if you care to open yourself up to everyone here. Is,,
How many take do you do before you call it quits for the day?
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Jul 25 2017 05:37 PM
Before I call it quits? Don't call it quits. But before you record next time practice more. I can't record something in fewer than five takes that I don't intimately. Also, not recording live reveals 'flaws' that one would normally never notice.
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stratdancer
Joined: Dec 11, 2013
Posts: 2533
Akron, Ohio
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Posted on Jul 25 2017 06:17 PM
Was it a cover song? Getting every note perfect like the record might be a frustrating challenge if it's not sounding right. You just have to practice it more until you can run it through and not think about it. Takes Time!
If it's an original maybe you just haven't written a good enough riff. I have struggled for weeks finding just the right riffs and once they are found it's pretty easy after that. Some leads come naturally, some you just have to noodle around with until it comes to you.
I searched for weeks to put this lead together. It just wasn't there and the other takes were totally unacceptable. Be patient and explore. Once you find it seems so simple like....DUH!
— The Kahuna Kings
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Last edited: Jul 25, 2017 18:22:37
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Joelman
Joined: Sep 07, 2006
Posts: 1485
Redlands, CA
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Posted on Jul 25 2017 06:24 PM
Thanks for the reply Jake. You always offer great insite and advice.
I'm not quiting the recording attempt. I just mean for the session.
With this new computer, I can hear every little mess up on the attempts. Every soft picked or partial off note stands out.
It's a lot different than my old tascam units.
If I'm a fraction off beat it shows up on the app like a stubbed toe in a pair of Beach sandals. It's hard to hide the imperfections.
Anyway,,,
I just wondered how many takes other players have to do before they wear out trying to get it right for the session.
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Jul 25 2017 06:43 PM
And don't put lead guitar on first, or if you do consider it a scratch track. If you put it on later and get it into the mix you won't notice imperfections.
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crumble
Joined: Sep 09, 2008
Posts: 3158
Guildford England
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Posted on Jul 25 2017 07:15 PM
If all else fails record multiple takes on separate tracks then pick the best track. If any mistakes then slice a piece out from one of the other takes and replace it. It's a less stressful way of punching in/out I guess.
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stratdancer
Joined: Dec 11, 2013
Posts: 2533
Akron, Ohio
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Posted on Jul 25 2017 07:27 PM
Joelman wrote:
Thanks for the reply Jake. You always offer great insite and advice.
I'm not quiting the recording attempt. I just mean for the session.
With this new computer, I can hear every little mess up on the attempts. Every soft picked or partial off note stands out.
It's a lot different than my old tascam units.
If I'm a fraction off beat it shows up on the app like a stubbed toe in a pair of Beach sandals. It's hard to hide the imperfections.
Anyway,,,
I just wondered how many takes other players have to do before they wear out trying to get it right for the session.
To specifically answer your question, it depends on how important the song is. Recording at home means free studio time and nobody breathing down your neck. Reboot another day if you think it should be better.
— The Kahuna Kings
https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Kahuna-Kings/459752090818447
https://thekahunakings.bandcamp.com/releases
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Syndicateofsurf
Joined: Oct 08, 2014
Posts: 1073
Northern Ohio
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Posted on Jul 26 2017 06:58 AM
Joelman wrote:
Every soft picked or partial off note stands out.
It's a lot different than my old tascam units.
If I'm a fraction off beat it shows up on the app like a stubbed toe in a pair of Beach sandals. It's hard to hide the imperfections.
Thanks JoelMan for confirming my choice of sticking with My TASCAM units.
I am chained to 2 computers all day long and the thought of attaching that chain to say my Sears Silvertone (1457) gave me the hee-bee-jee-bees with a side of the willy-nillies. Could not do it, would not do it, will never do it.
Do my recordings suffer because I don't have every missed note, beat and pause graphically illustrated by sine waves? I thanks Dick Dale and the Deltones I will never find out. Would have to be the most torturous way to suck the last bit of fun out playing.
This is rock music damn it!
Leave the sine waves to the astrophysicists and geostationary satellites.
And leave the notes alone.
— Da Vinci Flinglestein,
The quest for the Tone, the tone of the Quest
The Syndicate of Surf on YouTube
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Clarry
Joined: Oct 01, 2014
Posts: 519
Streatham, London
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Posted on Jul 26 2017 08:25 AM
Syndicateofsurf wrote:
Leave the sine waves to the astrophysicists and geostationary satellites.
And leave the notes alone.
The Sine Waves
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el_camello
Joined: Jul 04, 2010
Posts: 369
Ottawa
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Posted on Jul 26 2017 09:05 AM
My first recording experience was a total mess. I had not realized how sloppy I was. I think it's important to be honest about your playing before recording and getting the hang of playing to a click and developing the ear to hear when your playing isn't so hot.
Honestly, just keep recording regularly; it's the best way to practice. The playback doesn't lie and you'll get better really fast.
— -Pierre
The Obsidians! (Ottawa surf)
The Obsidians debut EP
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el_camello
Joined: Jul 04, 2010
Posts: 369
Ottawa
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Posted on Jul 26 2017 09:07 AM
I find surf lead can be deceptively difficult. Breathing life into a musically simply guitar melody is a challenge beyond just the notes.
— -Pierre
The Obsidians! (Ottawa surf)
The Obsidians debut EP
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Syndicateofsurf
Joined: Oct 08, 2014
Posts: 1073
Northern Ohio
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Posted on Jul 26 2017 09:14 AM
Clarry wrote:
Syndicateofsurf wrote:
Leave the sine waves to the astrophysicists and geostationary satellites.
And leave the notes alone.
The Sine Waves
Excellent counterpoint guv!
— Da Vinci Flinglestein,
The quest for the Tone, the tone of the Quest
The Syndicate of Surf on YouTube
http://www.syndicateofsurf.com/
http://sharawaji.com/
http://surfrockradio.com/
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Joelman
Joined: Sep 07, 2006
Posts: 1485
Redlands, CA
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Posted on Jul 26 2017 10:52 AM
The 'new for me' experience of computer recording has been an eye opener for sure.
I can even hear the buzz of a finger nail to close to a picked string.
Maybe I should turn the volume down so I don't hear the imperfections.
I'm not gonna quit though. Maybe this will make me a more accurate player.
I have learned a lot about my style (sloppy) that I never realized before.
To come back to my original question and open the box. I did about 30 takes on a song I thought I knew pretty well.
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el_camello
Joined: Jul 04, 2010
Posts: 369
Ottawa
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Posted on Jul 26 2017 12:15 PM
30 takes, that's nothing, haha
This will for sure make you a more accurate player. I remember when I got serious about playing with a metronome. I got exponentially better in record time.
If I could get back all those years of wasted practice where I would convince myself my playing was tight...
A lot of minor imperfections get masked by the other instruments.
— -Pierre
The Obsidians! (Ottawa surf)
The Obsidians debut EP
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SixStringSurfer
Joined: Sep 23, 2014
Posts: 1400
Memphis, TN
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Posted on Jul 26 2017 12:36 PM
Great thread! It takes me 20-30 takes to record lead, and around 5-6 to record rhythm and "drip." I agree that when I listen to myself play, it really gives me a wake up call to my semi-sloppy playing. I am getting better though!
— MooreLoud.com - A tribute to Dick Dale. New Singles "Finish Line" and "Paradiso" on Bandcamp and website.
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Joelman
Joined: Sep 07, 2006
Posts: 1485
Redlands, CA
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Posted on Jul 26 2017 04:42 PM
Thanks guys. I'm glad I'm not the only one doing a lot of takes on one track.
I just finished recording for today.
I took the advice offered and ran new tracks instead of recording over the one I didn't like in a second, third or thirtieth take.
I was listening as I ate my lunch trying to decide witch take on lead I liked the best. Well what do I discover at the end of the song when I get two almost identical timed finish chords?
I asked my self, why did I get two finish chords?
I took a look at the computer, and found, that, Well,, I had actually been listening to two lead takes at the same time!
Talk about a confidence builder. The tracks were identical note for note! Except for the last chord.
I was just playing around with a new computer and KAZAMM! I find that I still got more chops than I thought.
So, to tell the truth, I feel much better about recording now.
Maybe I'll work on some song for the next compilation. If I can figure out how to send the darn thing over the Internet...
Cheers!!
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Syndicateofsurf
Joined: Oct 08, 2014
Posts: 1073
Northern Ohio
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Posted on Jul 27 2017 06:27 AM
Joelman wrote:
Thanks guys. I'm glad I'm not the only one doing a lot of takes on one track.
I took a look at the computer, and found, that, Well,, I had actually been listening to two lead takes at the same time!
Talk about a confidence builder. The tracks were identical note for note! Except for the last chord.
If I can figure out how to send the darn thing over the Internet...
Cheers!!
— Da Vinci Flinglestein,
The quest for the Tone, the tone of the Quest
The Syndicate of Surf on YouTube
http://www.syndicateofsurf.com/
http://sharawaji.com/
http://surfrockradio.com/
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Rouserman73
Joined: Dec 25, 2012
Posts: 101
Mänttä-Vilppula, Finland, Europe
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Posted on Jul 27 2017 01:14 PM
Usually all it takes is 3 takes. If its not there, its not going to happen. At least at that same day
— Twang & Bop til You Drop!
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Squid
Joined: Aug 22, 2010
Posts: 1018
Portland, Oregon with Insanitizers
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Posted on Jul 27 2017 03:54 PM
If it's a song I have played for years one or two takes. If it is a song I just wrote, my fingers won't know it fluidly until at least a day after I first start rehearsing it. That's the way the human brain works.
It is routine that the next day, without any further practice, I play a song fluidly when I couldn't the previous day.
Ironically, if I go several weeks or months without playing a song, the next time I play it it will be perfect. But the time after that parts slip.
— Insanitizers! http://www.insanitizers.com
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ArtS
Joined: May 09, 2008
Posts: 1335
Isle of Kent, MD
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Posted on Jul 28 2017 10:06 AM
When we were last in the studio the mixer told me "Art, there are some players who are perspiration and other that are inspiration. Your first take is usually very good, your second one better, but as the takes increase you seem to think yourself out of the natural flow of the first couple of takes and the overall quality and sound of the guitar performance degradates". I think for me he's right.
So I usually end up using one of the first couple of takes and fix with a patch here and there. I'm definitely not a technician who gets stronger as the recording goes on. Also, sometimes I'll stumble across a change in the lead line when recording that is different than the live or practice lines and it fits great. So figure out if your perspiration or inspiration and go from there. There is no right way or wrong way, just the best way for you and most importantly the song.
— Surfcat
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