DannySnyder wrote:

Have you priced vinyl lately? Gawd it's expensive. A 7" with a picture sleeve can be upwards of $2k for 300.

Hmm. Who are you using? Meanwhile, a 12" lp costs less than that much for 500.

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I think some of you maybe don't know us or dont understand. We have always done vinyl and always will. We are just wondering if doing cd anymore makes any sense, we are, by no means pushing download over any physical medium.

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Almost a non-sequitur, I was at a live taping of A Prairie Home Companion today and after one of the guest artist performances Chris Thile, the host, remarked "Just to let all of you know, you can still actually buy music. Like actually buy it". It got a nice chuckle, especially from the onstage artists.

But incredibly telling of where the subscription model is going. Music has been devalued.

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I still believe in vinyl and then cds or dvds.
Imagine all the nice booklets with their informations and pictures are no longer published. That would be a really big loss!
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JakeDobner wrote:

Brian wrote:

until we have massive storage and super-super-super fast broadband the CD still stands quite tall IMO.

We do have massive storage and fast broadband. I just uploaded almost 3000 tracks to "the cloud" and I can access them anywhere I have a computer or phone. It's amazing.

Yeah, a song collection takes little space and even the slowest internet connection can stream a song.

I was speaking CD quality uncompressed. Maybe I should have made it clear. To distribute CD quality uncompressed we need faster broadband, to have CD quality uncompressed on our devices we need bigger storage. It was a direct comparison between CD and digital download. Also bare in mind that future uncompressed will have a larger file size. The technology is here now but the manufacturers and service providers drag their heels to make every cent from upgrades. Tell me, when you download music and receive a crap JPG and text file with liner notes, do you feel cheated?

Compressed is a lossy format which degrades with copying. Uncompressed should be as close to the master as possible - no degrade.

I grew up listening to HiFi excellence, maybe everyone else has forgotten what that used to be or maybe they are younger and spent their lives listening to a USB stick or something! ;)

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crumble wrote:

Compressed is a lossy format which degrades with copying. Uncompressed should be as close to the master as possible - no degrade.

You are talking about the first copy to a compressed format... it certainly does not degrade on subsequent copies...

I grew up listening to HiFi excellence, maybe everyone else has forgotten what that used to be or maybe they are younger and spent their lives listening to a USB stick or something! ;)

In the last 10 years we've gotten significantly better encodings. MP3 / AAC / Ogg Vorbis digital formats these days use a VBR encoding (variable bit rate) which produces amazing near-CD quality while still keeping the file size significantly smaller than uncompressed files found on CDs.

Since you are a hi-fi purist, VBR still probably won't meet your standards, but it works for me when you factor in the convenience. I honestly can't tell the difference between a CD and a VBR MP3 ripped at say an average 160 kbps or higher. Your mileage may vary of course.

Do I feel cheated I didn't get artwork or liner notes? I did going from vinyl to CD. But CD's are so small I don't feel like I'm missing anything as long as I can read the notes online somewhere.

I didn't feel this way just a few years ago. But recently something clicked with me and I just want to be done with owning "stuff". Again this is all subjective and personal. If I had the space and time I'd love to have a huge vinyl collection. But for convenience and being able to access my entire music collection anywhere digital is my current favorite.

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Where does everybody get the idea that vinyl records are too expensive nowadays? A record costs between 15 and 30 bucks for a single lp. I clearly remember that a single lp in 1977 cost roughly between 5 and 7 dollars. 7 dollars in 1977 is worth $27.58 today. Pretty much the same price. Also, I don't think that 30 bucks is too much to pay for something I love and brings so much pleasure. Music has been devalued in the present age, and that's a big part of the problem.
I know a lot will disagree but I think Cds are awful.
Digital is my least preferred way to listen to music. I always thought cd's sucked and mp3s are even worse. Flac? Well thats an inprovement but it's funny to me when people use the term lossy, since digital is lossy to begin with by it's very nature.

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Brian wrote:

Brain wrote: blah blah which I am grateful for him pointing out my mistake thank you.

I wish I could afford to be a lofty audiophile! I use mp3 for nearly everything but my point is we are on a downward quality spiral and the internet needs beefing up a little before we can lose the CD completely.

Man, you should listen to the Beatles Abbey Road on a good hi-fi system vinyl or CD then you'll get what i'm saying i'm sure.

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crumble wrote:

Man, you should listen to the Beatles Abbey Road on a good hi-fi system vinyl or CD then you'll get what i'm saying i'm sure.

Oh I'm sure it's glorious, no doubt.

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CD's are becoming obsolete but not in this and a few other genres.

Whether or not we like it subscription services are showing all signs of being the "new" standard according to industry data.
Subscription services are also showing the best promise for payment/royalties to the artist/writer.
I didn't read the article Ted posted so I apologize if that's been stated.

As far as Ted's query: I'm personally cool with Vinyl and a download card.

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