Redd_Tyde
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Oceanside, CA
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Posted on Jun 13 2007 11:51 AM
I am still waiting for that really big set.
Should have been there yesterday. The Waves were better.
Just thought I would give it a actual surf spin.
Anyways, my opinion is that there really aren't any waves for surf. It's foundation is still the same. Newer artist may add a new spin to it. But it is really just building off what is already there. More of a retrofit than a wave.
Right now Advertising has been using a lot more surf music in commercials. Kids cartoons are picking up more surfy tunes as well. Like everything else in music. THings come in cycles and I think that right now surf is seeing some light due to the Rock-a-billy shows teaming with surf shows, bringing greasers and suntan lotion together has brought on new interest. Lets not forget the new rage that Burlesque has become. Another fuel for the fire.
I don't think surf will ever die out or mutate like some other genres have. It seems there are always non-surf cover bands using a couple of surf tunes in their sets. Budding guitarist always seem to learn Pipeline or at least a portion of it. It may not always be visible, but surf music has never been forgotten.
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spskins
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Posted on Jun 13 2007 12:14 PM
skeeter
Yes, but that (Pulp Fiction) thing was more of a spike or surge than an ending and new beginning.
There were actually a whole mess of bands that preceeded Pulp Fiction:
The Woodies, Surf Trio, The Mermen, Laika and the Cosmonauts, Pollo Del Mar (I think), Satan's Pilgrims (I think)
That's all I can think of, I'm not a bonafide surf historian, but I'm sure there were more...
Anyway, that's my take on the whole thing.
Boss Martians and Jackie and the Cedrics did too.
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Sonichris
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Posted on Jun 13 2007 12:56 PM
I always thought of the whole wave idea in terms of how the music sounded during that period - I.E. 1st wave is traditional, 2nd wave was more progressive sounding, and third wave is a mix of both? I usually can tell just by listening what wave a band is from - there are exceptions, but still.....This point was driven home when I heard Brians podcast - all the songs were great, but all the newer stuff had kind of the same sound - Big drums, lots of reverb, perhaps a slightly overdriven guitar tone...I'm not knocking any of the tunes, so please don't take it that way.
I voted no 4th wave. Until something completely different from the third wave sounds comes along we will be in the 3rd wave.
I'm probably all wet on most of this by the way....
Chris
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spskins
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Posted on Jun 13 2007 01:38 PM
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Brian
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Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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Posted on Jun 13 2007 01:44 PM
I don't think of waves as in musical style or shift, just time periods (or waves of bands):
In my (feeble) mind:
1st Wave - 60's bands, the originals
then surf died
2nd Wave - '79 and early 80's it came back: Jon & The Nightriders, The Halibuts, Surf Raiders
3rd Wave - To me, this is the 90's bands but especially the new explosion of bands following Pulp Fiction...
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PolloGuitar
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San Francisco
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Posted on Jun 13 2007 02:29 PM
I definitely think we have entered a 4th wave. Something in the sound and style really changed in the 00s. A true merging of trad-surf and punk makes the music a lot harder and harsher. Any remnant of thirdwave sonic experimentation is gone. A return to the basic tools of the originals, but the songs are faster and deadlier.
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Surfabilly
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Connersville, Indiana, USA
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Posted on Jun 13 2007 02:54 PM
Chopper
Question...what will the 5th wave bring?
By the time I ever get around to recording/putting a band together...ME!  At least that's what it seems like, in my desire to become active in the surf music scene. Hopefully I'll have a better job (8 hour days/no or few weekends), by then. 12 hour days, and working every other weekend don't leave room for too much else.
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wooza
Joined: Apr 24, 2006
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Ithaca, NY
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Posted on Jun 13 2007 07:21 PM
PolloGuitar
I definitely think we have entered a 4th wave. Something in the sound and style really changed in the 00s. A true merging of trad-surf and punk makes the music a lot harder and harsher. Any remnant of thirdwave sonic experimentation is gone. A return to the basic tools of the originals, but the songs are faster and deadlier.
Wow, Ferenc has got one fine-tuned ear. I never really noticed this phenomenon myself, but I think I agree now that you point it out.
This brings up another point: that the Mermen need to quit slipping into obscurity and release some new material for the love of God.
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bigtikidude
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Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.
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Posted on Jun 13 2007 07:33 PM
Its funny how I have my ideas about this being the 3rd wave, and am pretty sure about it ( not that any of this really matters by the way).
But when I read Skeeters post about it being one big 2nd wave form 79 till now, or FDerence's post about how it changed after 2000 and songs got heavier and deadlier, they both make great points.
so who is right?????
ha ha ha. 
I'm so confused,
ah hell I don't care what wave it is, as long as it keeps rollin in.
Jeff(bigtikidude)
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
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Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Jun 13 2007 07:40 PM
bigtikidude
ah hell I don't care what wave it is, as long as it keeps rollin in.
Jeff(bigtikidude)
Jeff's exactly right of course, but this is a forum and it's fun to stimulate discussion. 
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Brian
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Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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Posted on Jun 13 2007 07:42 PM
Yes, I have greatly enjoyed reading everyone's opinion on this. Waves mean different things to different people, and I can see their points of view.
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wooza
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Ithaca, NY
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Posted on Jun 14 2007 01:41 AM
Brian
Waves mean different things to different people, and I can see their points of view.
I find myself wavering in my definitions of the waves either sonically or temporally. I confuse myself even.
But regardless of the vintage or label of each style, it's still all great. 
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Kawentzmann
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Berlin, Germany
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Posted on Jun 14 2007 02:57 AM
I wouldnât call it a wave. I think it declined constantly from 97 or so.
When surf music attracts a big set of new listeners, thatâs what I consider a new wave.
To stay in the âwaveâ picture: Itâs just more people (= bands) sitting and waiting for that next wave than before.
KK
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surfraptor
Joined: Dec 27, 2006
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near Amsterdam
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Posted on Jun 14 2007 03:50 AM
I voted yes, more as a personal experience.
First loved the Shadows and other British instrumental groups (Joe Meek stuff etc) then the Ventures.
Pipeline & Wipe Out came out.
Loved it.
So there's your 1st little wave.
When I heard Dick Dale on the radio in the early 80s I was blown away...
Totally missed him in the 60s over here in Europe.
Began collecting surf, the old 60s classics, Pyramids, Lively Ones, Astronauts etc
Came across the new stuff Jon & The Nightriders, Halibuts, Surfraiders.
So the 2nd wave for yours truly.
Jon Blair send me his Discography of Surf Music, because I send him a painting.
What a catalogue! Still use it.
Pulp Fiction was a mere reminder of the power of surfguitar.
3d wave, seeing Dick Dale, Treble Spankers.
Buying Volcanos, Fathoms, Surf Trio, Laika & The Cosmonauts, Man Or Astro-Man? (great artwork!) etc etc
4th wave: finding this website and hearing new bands. Brian's podcast!
Realizing again I'm not alone!
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Klas
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Stockholm, Sweden
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Posted on Jun 14 2007 03:54 AM
Kawentzmann
To stay in the âwaveâ picture: Itâs just more people (= bands) sitting and waiting for that next wave than before.
Yeah, one big difference between the 90's surf music scene and today's is definitely the number of bands. Although surf music was much bigger then, there seem to be a lot more surf bands around today, especially in Europe.
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tonybologna
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Oakland
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Posted on Jun 14 2007 11:38 AM
PolloGuitar
I definitely think we have entered a 4th wave. Something in the sound and style really changed in the 00s. A true merging of trad-surf and punk makes the music a lot harder and harsher. Any remnant of thirdwave sonic experimentation is gone. A return to the basic tools of the originals, but the songs are faster and deadlier.
FWIW--
--ferenc
Wow, excellent observation. I'm persuaded.
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Anonymous
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Posted on Jun 14 2007 12:06 PM
Heres one for ya. If a new band emerged that was comprised of 3rd wave musicians, would they be considered a 4th wave band?
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surfneptune
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Posted on Jun 14 2007 12:09 PM
Like I said, Phil Dirt callin it quits was the end the third wave in my opinion. I agree with Ferenc: "A return to the basic tools of the originals, but the songs are faster and deadlier." And I feel (from a California perspective) there has been a surge from the East as well (Unsteady Freddie added some real energy for a while). AND... In a way SG101 has really achieved a Country wide wave.
my two cents!
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
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Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Jun 14 2007 12:09 PM
absolutely! (assuming there is 4th wave).
Musicians aren't stuck in a vacuum, many progress as time and tastes change.
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Stormtiger
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Ventura, CA
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Posted on Jun 14 2007 12:16 PM
Let the historians worry about the waves after the dust settles and they can look back at the big picture and maybe then an obvious shift will make itself apparent. I wonder what John Blair has to say about this subject?
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