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A direct swap. Take out the one tube, put in the other.

The Disasternauts

TooLShedd
Is it safe to just swap the 6V6 for a 6K6, you don't need to modify any of the internal electronics at all?

The 6K6 directly replaces the the 6V6 without any internal modification...
just swap the tube, and all is good!

Last edited: May 05, 2006 18:33:19

I actually have a 6L6 in mine and I like it a little better than the 6K6. But that's just me, may not be for everybody.
-Paul

Paul
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skeeter
I actually have a 6L6 in mine and I like it a little better than the 6K6. But that's just me, may not be for everybody.
-Paul

What's the tone difference like?

The Disasternauts

I's hard to describe, it just sorta opens it up a bit more. Not a huge difference or anything.
Who knows? It may just be my imagination and there may be no difference at all.
An amp tech recommended it once, and I tried it and liked it. I think I have a Ruby in there.

Paul
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dp
The 6K6 directly replaces the the 6V6 without any internal modification...
just swap the tube, and all is good!
check out the vintage schematic...the 6K6GT tube is drawn in the same spot as the 6V6 in the re-ish...

I didn't realize the rest of the circuit was the same. I thought they may have tweaked other components so it could use tubes that are currently available.

Time to go through my father's Ham radio tube stash again...

i wish i had this information a few weeks ago when i replaced the 6V6 tube in my reverb with another 6V6. it seems to have lost a little bit of its drip but at least the squealing noise from the bad tube is gone.

so another question. my deluxe reverb has a little bit of hiss from both the normal and vibrato side, but more so from the vibrato. this amp has been used on the average twice a day for four years and has the original tubes. when i plug the reverb into it the hiss increases greatly, especially on the vibrato side. none of the tubes are loose.

could i possibly need new tubes in the amp?

i tested a friends rca NOS tubes in it last year and the sound changed noticeably, for the good. should i go with the rca, or is there another tube that's better?

sorry, i can't explain myself better, but any information is helpful..

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^^ good question, I too wonder about tubes life. I Just got my first tube amp and the tank of course. I have never changed a tube in my life, nor know much about them besides they sound great.

What is the average tube life, how hard are they to change? Any are there any warning signs that you tubes are going?

stigger108
What is the average tube life, how hard are they to change? Any are there any warning signs that you tubes are going?

tubes failing have a variety of possible sypmtoms:

microphonics: something inside the tube fails causing the tube to act like a microphone.

shorts across the tube base can make sparks or even smoke! weird electrical fire burning smells...

leakage: the vacuum tube can fail and let in air...

weird colors...

weird sounds...cruchiness when none present before, pops, snaps, crackles...

weird distortion...howling sounds that you didn't intend your amp to make...

Most of the time, though, tubes just keep working...I have had a set of Mesa Engineering 12AT7 and 12AX7 tone tubes in my bassman since 1985...they still sound, and perform exceptionally.

Power tubes should be properly biased for longest life...

my advice, don't worry about new tubes...they will last a long time, and if something wacky happens to them, you will see, hear or worst of all smell something going wrong!

Power tubes are like tires on a car. The more you use them,
and the harder you drive them, the shorter the life span will
be. If you play 4 hours a day you may have to replace them
a couple times a year. Normally a fairly active player can go
about a year between power tube changes. Preamp tubes
usually last a long time. I've replaced exactly one preamp
tube in my '63 BF Deluxe in the last 30 years. But you never
know about tubes: I've had them go out within 2 weeks of
installing them. Biasing power tubes is critical if you want
your power tubes to last. Some guys bias their amps "hot" to
get a certain sound at the expense of tube life expectancy.
But enuff already... Smile For the real technical lowdown, Unlunf
is the guy.

Bob S.

Bob

Carol,> momsurfing_

......
so another question. my deluxe reverb has a little bit of hiss from both the normal and vibrato side, but more so from the vibrato. this amp has been used on the average twice a day for four years and has the original tubes. when i plug the reverb into it the hiss increases greatly, especially on the vibrato side. none of the tubes are loose.

could i possibly need new tubes in the amp?

i tested a friends rca NOS tubes in it last year and the sound changed noticeably, for the good. should i go with the rca, or is there another tube that's better?

sorry, i can't explain myself better, but any information is helpful.

You explained yourself quite well. Smile If only some of the dunderheads that come into my shop were so eloquent. Embarassed

Hiss is indicative of eminent failure. This is usually accompanied by lower gain than formerly noted (you need to turn it up to get the same volume level). Not always, but usually so. I'd first suspect the pre-amp tube located closest to the power amp tubes - it's what we call the phase inverter, and is the only pre-amp tube in the whole circuit that is common to both channels. The tube type is the same as all the other small ones, either a 7025 or a 12AX7. It may be a 12AT7, that's fine too, they all interchange quite nicely.

I don't often recommend changing all the pre-amp tubes at once, just because one of them has gone bad - it's usually not necessary. If you do decide to change them all, do so for purposes of trying to achieve a different tone (better!), moreso than trying to stave off possible failure. You mention NOS RCA tubes - good luck finding them. Well, at a decent price, I mean. Mad If you can, I'd say that you should buy from a dealer who will let you return the whole set if you don't like them (within a short time, obviously). I'd hate to see you stuck with tubes that don't make any difference, or worse, make a difference in the wrong direction. Sad

You didn't mention them, but power tubes should always be replaced en masse, and the bias adjusted afterwards (if possible).

You, and every user that ever plugged into an amp, can change tubes yourself. You may not be able to adjust the bias, but you don't need to pay a tech just to pull out one tube and insert a replacement. Tubes are "keyed" - power tubes have a tongue sticking out of the center post that fits the socket only one way, and pre-amp tubes have an open spot between two pins that also fits the socket only one way. Unless you use a large hammer, you can't insert them incorrectly. (Well, yes, you could, but then the tube would be worthless - you just broke at least one pin.)

in re: your new 6V6..... perhaps you can return that for an exchange on a 6K6?

HTH

unlunf

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