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Permalink Road Worn 60s Jazzmaster Vs 60s Lacquer Jazzmaster

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dave
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Link Posted on Mar 05 2016 08:00 AM

I have hung instruments for years on String Swing holders for years and all are 100% nitro with zero issues to the finish.
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Link Posted on Mar 05 2016 10:21 AM

BillAqua wrote:

You can't hear poly or nitro on a recording.

The only thing I question about the road worn 60s and laquer 60s is the rosewood. I had a Johnny Marr and that had a noticible different feeling rosewood than the discontinued '62 Reissues. Heck it felt different than my newer '64 RI teles. When I look at that pictures of the 60s Laquer it looks like the same rosewood. Almost like its dyed or something. This could all be in my head...

The fretboard looks & feels different because it's not rosewood! Fender has been using Pau Ferro (aka Bolivian Rosewood, although not a true rosewood) for their fretboards for quite some time now, due to the rising cost & limited supply of East Indian Rosewood. Pau Ferro is a great wood that is a little more dense than rosewood. It's extremely stable & machines & finishes beautifully. Most is lighter in color than rosewood, but some is dark & rich in color & looks just like rosewood. I prefer Pau Ferro over Rosewood. The higher end stuff will still have East Indian Rosewood, but most all of the Mexican stuff has Pau Ferro.
In regards to finishes, the "poly" that Fender uses currently is Polyester, not Polyurethane. Polyester is more durable than Polyurethane. It's quite thick & plastic-like too. I don't buy into the nitro vs poly tone debate, but I do prefer nitrocellulose lacquer, especially on necks. It's a feel thing for me. Lacquer feels better & wears more organically.

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Link Posted on Mar 18 2016 03:52 PM

Bob, Do you know what year Fender switched to Pau Ferro for their production guitars?

Bob_Kennedy wrote:

BillAqua wrote:

You can't hear poly or nitro on a recording.

The only thing I question about the road worn 60s and laquer 60s is the rosewood. I had a Johnny Marr and that had a noticible different feeling rosewood than the discontinued '62 Reissues. Heck it felt different than my newer '64 RI teles. When I look at that pictures of the 60s Laquer it looks like the same rosewood. Almost like its dyed or something. This could all be in my head...

The fretboard looks & feels different because it's not rosewood! Fender has been using Pau Ferro (aka Bolivian Rosewood, although not a true rosewood) for their fretboards for quite some time now, due to the rising cost & limited supply of East Indian Rosewood. Pau Ferro is a great wood that is a little more dense than rosewood. It's extremely stable & machines & finishes beautifully. Most is lighter in color than rosewood, but some is dark & rich in color & looks just like rosewood. I prefer Pau Ferro over Rosewood. The higher end stuff will still have East Indian Rosewood, but most all of the Mexican stuff has Pau Ferro.
In regards to finishes, the "poly" that Fender uses currently is Polyester, not Polyurethane. Polyester is more durable than Polyurethane. It's quite thick & plastic-like too. I don't buy into the nitro vs poly tone debate, but I do prefer nitrocellulose lacquer, especially on necks. It's a feel thing for me. Lacquer feels better & wears more organically.

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Link Posted on Mar 19 2016 09:05 AM

I've been told that they started incorporating pau ferro as early as the mid 90's. I can't confirm that all their fretboards are pau ferro these days, but most of the Mexican standards I've seen are.

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Link Posted on Mar 19 2016 09:29 AM

Bob_Kennedy wrote:

I've been told that they started incorporating pau ferro as early as the mid 90's. I can't confirm that all their fretboards are pau ferro these days, but most of the Mexican standards I've seen are.

This is interesting, thanks Bob. I've got a rich looking Ensenada JM neck that is wonderful, likewise the much lighter colored one on a Classic 60's Strat (the Strat may darken a bit over time if I live long enough). Great feel to them & haven't ever found a reason to give it a thought one way or the other & don't find myself thinking "gee, wish this was like my AVRI neck."
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