JoeKinetic
Joined: Feb 04, 2016
Posts: 51
Ireland
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Posted on Feb 24 2016 07:46 AM
Greetings Folks
I would appreciate any views or comments regarding the Fender 75, I've found some details online and mixed reviews on other forums but wonder what the consensus is in the surf community? I've searched the forums and seen a few bits and pieces, in particular some useful, positive comments from RobbieReverb but I would like some more views before I commit to buying.
There are a lack of decent, quality, vintage Fender amps in Ireland, I don't think I've ever seen a Dual Showman and rarely seen a Bandmaster or Vibrolux etc. There are a few Twins around, I like them but there's always the weight/transport issue. Our drummer is pretty loud, I'm currently using a Blues Deluxe RI and its not bad but I would like more of a classic amp.
The limited reviews I've seen go from "run away" to "buy immediately", it seems its as easy to get a bad sound as a good sound from them, I know its subjective but to your ears will it give the Fender surf shimmer and clean volume? This one is the 15" speaker and has the footswitch, which I believe is essential otherwise apparently the clean and OD channels run together, which seems to be one of the bad sound factors. I've no interest in the OD channel, just the clean. Reverb seems to be OK, disengaged on the OD channel but again that doesn't matter to me. I'm also thinking of going for the Surfybear reverb so a decent on board isn't a deal breaker but would be useful for quick jams etc.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers
Joe
Last edited: Feb 24, 2016 07:48:20
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
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Seattle
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Posted on Feb 24 2016 09:39 AM
A Fender 75 won't get you a more classic Fender sound than your Blues Deluxe.
You should try to play one and see if you like it. An amp doesn't need to be the perfect surf amp for it to be your perfect amp for surf.
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JoeKinetic
Joined: Feb 04, 2016
Posts: 51
Ireland
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Posted on Feb 24 2016 10:05 AM
Thanks Jake, I will be able to try before I buy but its a bit of a hike and I'm trying to gauge whether its worth the journey/hassle. The RI I have is passable but I think it could be better, I suppose having had a twin back in the day that's the sound I have in mind, only slightly easier to carry!
Its also PTP wired so has some advantages for possible mods or at least repairs/service.
Cheers
Joe
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skeeter
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
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Virginia, USA
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Posted on Feb 24 2016 10:09 AM
If you don't have an outboard reverb, I would suggest investing in that instead, if they're available in Ireland.
That will make pretty much any amp sound better.
Plus, it will give your Blues Deluxe a pre-amp boost and make it slightly louder.
— Paul
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JoeKinetic
Joined: Feb 04, 2016
Posts: 51
Ireland
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Posted on Feb 24 2016 10:32 AM
Thanks Paul
Outboard reverbs are even more rare than amps here! I'm going to build the Surfy Bear. The volume on the BD RI is OK, it can keep up with the drummer and I can boost it with a pedal if required, I just think I could get a better sound. Its not bad, but we all strive for "the" tone..
Cheers
JK
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eddiekatcher
Joined: Mar 14, 2006
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Atlanta, GA
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Posted on Feb 24 2016 11:50 AM
Hi Joe!
I've had and been around Fender amps since 1965 and I've never run across one of the Fender 75's. I did do a bit of research for you in the Sprung and Teagle book as well as Tom Wheeler's book on Fender amps. Here is basically what they both had to say:
The amp was designed by Ed Jahns. Other than Leo, Ed was (and probably still is) the most well respected engineer to ever grace the hallowed halls of Fender. A brilliant engineer, a tough stickler for quality and probably the most knowledgable man of that era on audio spectrum vacuum technology.
The 75 was apparently designed to compete with or exceed the Mesa Boogie. It had the cascading preamps and the output stage was tuned to beat the band. Apparently Ed coaxed 75 watts out of two 6L6's by running the plate voltages at about 500V! The amp also had a dual power switch that changed the 500V plate/56v bias arrangement to 250V on the the plates and 23V bias. It is a hand wired amp and is probably very rugged as long as the output tubes are up to the challenge. It however has the fixed/non-adjustable bias control and most likely a linear output transformer. Premium 6L6'swou be an absolute must. If it was mine, I'd make sure the power supply and output tubes were cooled with a boxer fan. I've been mulling over the idea of running a pair of 6550's in that bad boy.
If you like the sound of it and the price is right, why not?
ed
— Traditional........speak softly and play through a big blonde amp. Did I mention that I still like big blonde amps?
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caddady
Joined: Feb 14, 2010
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N.E. Ohio
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Posted on Feb 24 2016 02:10 PM
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caddady
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N.E. Ohio
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Posted on Feb 24 2016 02:17 PM
My bad, it not a Rivera model... Eddie is right, Katchers always right dang him
— http://www.reverbnation.com/thegreasemonkeyz
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JoeKinetic
Joined: Feb 04, 2016
Posts: 51
Ireland
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Posted on Feb 24 2016 02:45 PM
Thanks ed and caddady
Yes, seems a common misconception that its Rivera era, I think they were built late 79 to about 82 and as you say ed, designed by Ed Jahns. I hadn't seen anything about high plate voltage, but 75W does seem high for two 6L6s. I haven't read anything about it having a linear output transformer, I know some people don't like them in Twins.
I'll go and try it but its always hard to tell what it will be like at gig volume, they have a low power switch down to 15W, my experience of these is that the sound changes from the full power option. I don't know if that's the case with these.
As you say ed, if the price is right and I like it then why not? My biggest concern is that I don't like it after a few months and get stuck with an unpopular amp that's hard to shift when the dream Band Master appears in my local free ads!...
Cheers
Joe
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caddady
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N.E. Ohio
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Posted on Feb 24 2016 03:10 PM
"My biggest concern is that I don't like it after a few months and get stuck with an unpopular amp that's hard to shift when the dream Band Master appears in my local free ads!..."
There is that factor, but if you only drop a few quid for it it may be a good spare. I like to root for the under dogs like this amp or Peavey stuff.
— http://www.reverbnation.com/thegreasemonkeyz
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JoeKinetic
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Posts: 51
Ireland
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Posted on Feb 24 2016 03:59 PM
More than a few quid caddady, probably end up around 600 dollars so not serious money but a bit too much to have as a dog in the garage gathering dust!
With more popular amps there's usually enough knowledge about modifying them to improve or iron out any issues but o can't find much info at all, there must not have been many sold. There's usually a good reason for that but like you rooting for the underdog its in the back of my mind that it's an under rated amp, a closet classic perhaps! I'll just have to try it and let the ears decide.
Cheers
Joe
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eddiekatcher
Joined: Mar 14, 2006
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Atlanta, GA
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Posted on Feb 24 2016 07:05 PM
My take on it, after eyeing the schematic, was that it probably has one hell of an output for a pair of 6L6's. If the plates are actually in the 500v range and the bias is indeed around 56v AND if it has an ultra linear output transformer, it should be able to play loud and clean. Wheeler's book goes on to comment that Steve Grom (former Fender amp marketing manager) commented that some guitarists liked it, some did not. "It had and odd tone." One of the issues that may plague this amp could be in the control section. It's EQ apparently has the capability of of plus 12db for the EQ and bright switch that can boost the highs by 6db. This in theory sounds great, but can be a recipe for disaster. Years ago, one of my best buds (that I played in top-40 bands with) used to hound me during my short lived Mesa Boogie fiasco saying, "Henry, you have too many knobs." I think he was right. Most Fenders are such that you just set the knobs about in the middle and it sounds good. Tweak a bit here and there but not too much, ad voila! The "75" may be a bitch to find your "right" sound with.
Who knows, Maybe you can con the seller into letting you take an at practice test drive. He may be willing to go the extra mile to move it.
ed
— Traditional........speak softly and play through a big blonde amp. Did I mention that I still like big blonde amps?
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RobbieReverb
Joined: Feb 28, 2006
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San Jose, Ca.
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Posted on Feb 24 2016 11:09 PM
Hi Joe,
I bought one in '79 because it was the closest thing to a Mesa Boogie that I could afford. The 75 was my main amp for most of the 80's. It is incredibly loud. I found myself most often using the 15 watt setting even with a pretty loud band. It weighs a freakin' ton! it's handwired and built like a tank, but mine had a lot of issues. Essentially, I got a "lemon", and by the time I was done, had put more money into it than buying a Boogie. Mine had massive cold solder joints, causing crackling noises and all kinds of bad voodoo. It blew a tranny fairly early on. I still have it. If I were still using it, I would use the clean channel exclusively. I like the clean channel a lot, but the lead channel is not so great. And the reverb drops down to almost nothing when you kick in the lead channel. The onboard reverb (clean channel) was fine to my ears, comparable to blackface and silver face onboard reverb. It's pretty easy to dial in good Fender tones in the clean channel. The bright switch is "spike-city", and to me, virtually useless. If the one you're looking at sounds good, and doesn't make crackling noises and weird sounds, you would get a good amp for $600.00. That said, I agree with Jake that your Blues Deluxe with a Surfy Bear or Fender tank should be a good alternative. If I missed anything, or have any further questions, let me know.
— Bob
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eddiekatcher
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Atlanta, GA
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Posted on Feb 24 2016 11:49 PM
Very helpful response Bob! As I read through it, I began to wonder if maybe that amp had been designed to be bright in order to liven up humbucking pickups. I don't remember anyone playing in local bands that were using single coil guitars like Strats much at that particular time. Pretty much Gibsonville down in these parts back then. I also read that Ed Jahns pretty much designed what marketing told him to build. I don't think he was a player.
I had a Boogie in the late 70's (about then) briefly and hated it. I sold my long time owned '68 Twin reverb when I bought the Boogie........my dumb ass.
The Boogie was gone in several months and I went back to using a Fender. A Blackface Bassman head and a slant Marshall cab. What a great amp combo!
From the reality side of the 75, it was only built about 2 years. Although to be fair, over the years I have come across a surprising number of connections (mostly on tube sockets) that were never soldered from the factory on both BF and SF amps. It's the first thing I go looking for now when I need to work on one that is "unusually clean." You have to look real close and wiggle every component and lead, but that wooden stick probe has found and led to the repair of a number of amp gremmies.
ed
ed
— Traditional........speak softly and play through a big blonde amp. Did I mention that I still like big blonde amps?
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RobbieReverb
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San Jose, Ca.
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Posted on Feb 25 2016 12:08 AM
You're right, Eddie. Ed Jahns was not a musician. He was s brilliant engineer, having worked for Tung Sol, among other things. But he knew his musical limitations, and and he was smart enough to lean on Freddie Tavares for insights into making the amplifiers sound musical.
— Bob
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SanchoPansen
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Berlin L-Berg
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Posted on Feb 25 2016 01:13 AM
IMO the Surfy Bear and a speaker swap on your current BD RI might get you closer to what you are looking for than the 75. I have no experience with the 75, but I sure do know that an outboard reverb unit and a decently set up (Fender) amp will surf. So why not save some money and try to get a little bit more out of your current amp?
In the long run you will bump into a nice amp and you will be happy to have the cash on hand if that happens. Just my 2 cents.
— The Hicadoolas
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JoeKinetic
Joined: Feb 04, 2016
Posts: 51
Ireland
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Posted on Feb 25 2016 03:25 AM
Thanks very much eddiekatcher, RobbieReveb and SanchoPansen, I was going to drive over and have a look/listen but there is the niggling doubt in my mind and I think your experience and research has pretty much settled it. I'm going to pass on the amp. The BD RI isn't bad so I'll build the Surfy Bear, (I emailed Bjorn and got a very speedy and helpful reply to a couple of questions), and wait for the right amp to come along.
Thanks for your help and input fella's and if you're ever coming to Ireland bring a nice Bandmaster or Dual Showman with you....
Cheers
Joe
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JoeKinetic
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Ireland
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Posted on Feb 25 2016 03:29 AM
SanchoPansen wrote:
IMO the Surfy Bear and a speaker swap on your current BD RI might get you closer to what you are looking for than the 75.
Had you any particular speaker in mind, have you changed one? One thing I notice with it is an uneven distribution of higher frequency, I know it depends on where you stand, the room etc and you can't expect to have an even response all around but sometimes I set up what sounds great to me and then if I walk over to the drummer the high end would cut you in half!
Cheers
Joe
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SanchoPansen
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Berlin L-Berg
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Posted on Feb 25 2016 04:01 AM
I've had some good experiences with Eminence speakers in general.
12" in particular: 'Texas Heat' or 'Swamp Thang'
But also the Weber or WGS Speakers have a good reputation, though they might be difficult to come by in Ireland. And of course there are JBL (D120F) and Electro Voice speakers, which are the 'holy grail' when it comes to surf.
Being located on our side of the pond, I'd suggest checking out the Eminence product line, as they are available and reasonable priced. Their webpage offers some decent sound samples for each speaker.
I've found a video on YouTube that might help. Cheers.
Regarding the 'room issue': That's a common problem. Be sure to raise your amp (or tilt it) so the speaker is pointing at your face to gain a better result.
— The Hicadoolas
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JoeKinetic
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Posts: 51
Ireland
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Posted on Feb 25 2016 04:50 AM
Thanks, I'll get a look at this later. Much appreciated.
Joe
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