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In 2003 I had seemingly put “music” behind me, after roughly 13 years of writing, recording, and performing in some capacity. I was in my late 20’s and felt I was behind in life. But I felt I was catching up, if somewhat slowly. I had finally finished college and gained a few years of experience. So at this point I had taken a new job and relocated my life. Even more, I had just gotten married. But, as we all know, if music is in your blood it never leaves and will always be a compulsion that needs to be satisfied.

After moving here I did dabble, for a few months, in a local punk rock band. But it only took me a very short period of time (4 months) to realize that my desire to partake in that outlet was long passed. So I quit the project and resigned myself to this new “adult” life.

At this time I had also recently discovered, through pirated software and a very “poor mans” setup, the joys of home, computer based recording. I surely thought this would fill that nagging urge that kept creeping up on me. And, to an extent, it did. This was also the birth of my idea for “Kill, Baby…Kill!”. I had long wanted to try my hand at an instrumental surf project, dating back to a few songs one of my college bands threw together in the mid 90’s. Through the power of a computer I was finally able to fully realize some ideas that had been floating around in my head for years without depending on other musicians. It was just something fun that was done for no other reason than to prove I could do it.

But over time more and more songs came to be. And two years in I realized that I would love to put these in a live setting. I quickly, although accidentally, put together a lineup of very young musicians that I had met just a few years earlier during my short stint in the previously mentioned punk rock band. And, at risk of sounding arrogant, it was a REALLY great lineup. Within about four months we were able to put together a short but full set of originals with a makeshift stage show. And when we finally did hit the stage we nailed it. I am not going to say that this was the most original project. After all, I am quite open about the fact that I was largely trying to prove to myself that I could halfway do Man or Astro-man? But it was good material with a good band backing it.

Sadly, just four performances in the other members found that life was offering them opportunities that they couldn’t turn down. And, considering all were just a few years out of high school, they would have been foolish not to follow these opportunities. I, on the other hand, was 30 years old, had a career, a wife, and had recently found out that we were expecting our first child. Needless to say, “music” got put on hold again for me. And I didn’t mind. There was a new world in front of me that I was ready to discover.

Now, fast forward five more years. I found myself divorced. At that time I was doing the “every other weekend father” thing. I was also not into partying and in no way wanted to chase women. So I found myself with entirely too much time on my hands. I had also, coincidentally, found my way back behind the computer and new songs were starting to pour out. I had never officially “ended” the idea of Kill,Baby…Kill!. After all, despite having previously put together a lineup, it was essentially my solo project. So here I was in 2010, seriously considering trying to find musicians to perform these songs with. And I did.

I had known Wolf for quite a few years. He really didn’t have a history as a musician. But he loved Horror films and owned a Bass guitar. Then came Rye… I had met him back in 2003 when he was around 15 years old. He fronted a band called Typhoid Mary. I doubt memory serves me well. But, at the time, they stood out, if for no other reason than the fact they were kids that were heavily influenced by artists that made no sense for their age group. The three of us jammed around and learned songs for a few months, initially intending on playing to sequenced drums. It was fun. But no one was fully satisfied. So one day Rye mentions hitting up Josh Jackson about playing drums. Josh had played for Typhoid Mary as well. But, frankly, I didn’t have vivid memory of him. A week or so later we met up with Josh at a tool shed in his home town and ran through a few songs. The boy had chops. Even more, he had taken it upon himself to learn the material, based on some old live recordings, before he stepped foot in the shed that day.

So the initial lineup of the modern era of Kill,Baby…Kill! was solidified. We rehearsed for about four more months. And we were tight, well beyond what most startups I have ever been involved in had achieved. We finally set up our first show that October at a local dive (at the time) called The Smoking Moose. We went all out. We had projections behind us, lights, carefully planned samples, fog machine, etc. To our surprise, we took the stage (floor) to a packed house. Perhaps it was memories of the short-lived lineup from five years earlier, but more likely due to having two members from a very small town where they knew everyone… And, in my opinion, we knocked it out of the park.

At this same show we were approached by Chris Eagle. Apparently he had been a part of local bands for some time. But, considering how I stepped away from everything for five years, I had somehow never met him or seen him play. Upon introducing himself he asked if we would be interested in having a key player. I was quite apprehensive. But, in the end, we all decided to give him a shot. And it was the missing link.

The next year was a whirlwind. We played around 40 shows, toured over 10,000 miles, played some really nice festivals, and recorded and released our first EP, which ended up selling very well. Even more, we quickly had a label offer to take us on for our next record. The running joke is that at the end of the first practice with Josh I took him to the side and said something along the lines of “Josh, I would love to have you along. But if you are looking for anything serious then you might want to look elsewhere. I just want something fun that is going to play a few local shows here and there”. I guess that goes to show how one should never make concrete plans.

At the end of that first year there were some major changes. First, after a year of dealing with numerous conflicts, Rye was out of the band. He was not replaced. And, frankly, we became a better unit for it. That isn’t a crack against him. Some things just weren’t meant to be. Second, Wolf decided to pursue other avenues in life and bowed out gracefully.

Enter Erek Smith… I had met Erek during that year, as he was a longtime friend of our Key player. Erek defies explanation. He grew up with all the same kids I knew. But his influences, personal taste, and general approach to life and work was well ahead of his age. Needless to say, he was a very welcome addition. And while it took me time to adjust to having another head-strong member in the mix, his presence forced me to change my approach to everything. And, in the end, it pushed the overall band out of being a half-assed Man or Astro-man? Clone into our own, original project. Even more than that, Erek became a man that I love and respect more than I could ever convey in this post.

We spent the next four years touring, recording, releasing, and generally enjoying being a unit. But with life, all things are in constant change. And there in an inherent danger in putting together a band full of substantially younger members. As a grown man, you are likely relatively set in life. For younger members you are just waiting for new opportunities to present themselves. And as a grown man, you have to expect and understand that they will and should take said opportunities.

Sadly, this has happened. We received word that Erek has received an offer that, frankly, he would be foolish to not accept. I will leave the details of this to him to announce. But, needless to say, we are both supportive and coping with a pending loss of an absolutely amazing Bass player and such a good friend being close by. We wish him all the luck in his new endeavor.

We are knee deep in preparing the next album. And, unlike Corridor X, which was almost a timeline of an album, representing the complete birth and growth of becoming a "band", this album is, by design, a full representation of THIS band…Josh, Chris, Erek, and Noah. This album will be finished in a way that is representative of this lineup and all that we have collectively worked together to create and will, hopefully, be completed and released by the end of Summer.

Beyond this, we haven’t really figured out where we will go. The KBK will not split up, as there is no reason to. But whether this means simply getting together to play shows when Erek is available or searching out a new Bass player is all up in the air. The idea of starting anew with another member is quite frightening. When you have had a near perfect blend of members for this long, the thought of risking brining in new personality conflicts isn’t the most appealing thing. Even more, the likelihood of finding a compatible musician within a logistically reasonable distance seems quite unlikely. But, then again, there are still goals we have set that haven’t been achieved, such as hitting the west coast, some pending split eps with friends from Europe, and even the idea of playing out of the country.

No matter what happens, I hold the three guys I play music with in great esteem. I have tremendous respect for all of them and have grown to love them like family.

THE KBK ... This is the last known signal. We offer Sanctuary.

www.thekbk.com
http://www.deepeddy.net/artists/thekbk/
www.reverbnation.com/thekbk
www.facebook.com/thekbkal

Last edited: Feb 01, 2016 12:19:23

Insightful open letter my friend.
Thank you for sharing this with us.
I'm sorry to hear about the changes but I'm confident that KBK will and should continue.
As you know, we've been through similar circumstances and through it all I (and good friends) keep reminding myself that it's all about making music, because we're driven to do it. If it means less shows, different players etc. then so be it but if the music is inside of us we need to press on and create, release it and share it with others.
The concept has had many postponements and stalls due to life in general but we are still looking forward to our collaboration. It will happen.

Cheers,
Jeff

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Sounds like you've been dealt a blow, but KBK is a pretty powerful thing and you're the right person to drive it. I'm confident that you'll find something that feels right.

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Noah, sorry to hear that Erek left. Please don't throw in the towel though.
I've been through so many line up upheavals myself, I've lost count. It's definitely worth hanging in there though. One door closes, another opens...

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Sounds pretty similar to what happened to the nebs. They'd al sort of gone different ways chasing life opportunities, and consequently musical opportunities. But Mike wanted to revive it, and that's where I came in.
Now the lineup is back together and I switched back to playing guitar (where I am more comfy anyway) and things are moving again.

Definitely try and finish the record. That's my own personal regret from bands past is that stuff fell apart as we were recording, or it never got done and all those songs are pretty much gone now.
Play some different stuff, or with some different people. Somebody will eventually fill the void, or like many things in life, it'll come full circle and you'll be able to move forward with the core lineup, albeit at a different pace.

Thank you, guys. I appreciate the moral support. And this will all work out. As mentioned above, the priority at the moment is making sure we have Erek's tracks for the upcoming album down before he leaves.

Finishing the album is the most important thing to me. After all, when this is over those recorded documents are likely all any of us are going to have to show for our efforts.

As for replacing Erek... Well... that is tough one. We are located in a small town. And there are talented people here. But that pool is quite shallow. Even more, even among those talented people here, there really isn't anyone that we feel would fit regarding personality or influences. Well, there are a few. But their lives are going in different directions. So it is unlikely they would be able to dedicate the time and energy to this project.

Victor, Erek is moving up to New York City. So you might see him out when you play.

THE KBK ... This is the last known signal. We offer Sanctuary.

www.thekbk.com
http://www.deepeddy.net/artists/thekbk/
www.reverbnation.com/thekbk
www.facebook.com/thekbkal

Logistically speaking, all the current nebs don't live close at all. It's almost a 3hr drive from me to jimmy. And 1.5 up to dano's. i think jimmy has a 2hr drive to practice. Which certainly limits our session frequency (as well as the other bands he does), but we make it work in our own way.

All I'm saying is: it can be done. Commuting from nyc is highly unlikely, but expanding your radius a bit will open up the pool for more swimmers.

Chipper, there is no doubt that it is doable. It is just weighing a lot of factors to see if that is the route we want to take.

This band has long existed in that limbo between hobby band and semi-professional act. I don't think that any of us would have ever been satisfied getting together every month or so for a few practices and then doing a handful of shows per year. Our enjoyment always came from releasing a product and then covering as many miles as we could to sell it(and see new areas of the country). And while we were never able to fully turn over our lives the way a band like Daikaiju has, we always did way more than any of the other acts in the genre, on average. When you consider 40-50 dates per year over half the country squeezed between careers and family it will give you a good idea of our dedication(insanity) level.

Regarding finding musicians in a larger radius...well, there are a handful that we would bring in right now. But the question would if their ability to handle the travel/dedication on a consistent basis. After all, while the band generally pays for itself, there isn't money going into pockets after costs are covered.

Now, speaking just for myself...I am now in my 40's. My kids are getting older and requiring much more of my time. And my career is requiring much more of me as well. Even more, the realities of traveling so often have caught up with me. My body isn't handling sleeping on air mattresses, living on 3-4 hours of sleep, long drives in vans, and extremely late nights the way it once did. So the past year has been a lot of reevaluating my own abilities during our time of slowing down. And, frankly, I have enjoyed the slowed down pace a bit too much. The writing is on the wall for me regarding the fact that I simply can't do things the way we have been doing them all these years.

My other members, on the other hand, haven't reached this point. And they would be perfectly willing and ready to keep moving on. The question then remains of how satisfied artistically would they be to work at a part time pace?

THE KBK ... This is the last known signal. We offer Sanctuary.

www.thekbk.com
http://www.deepeddy.net/artists/thekbk/
www.reverbnation.com/thekbk
www.facebook.com/thekbkal

Only youse guys can put your heads and hearts together to find the answer to that one. Good luck and best wishes.

I hope you can keep it going and enjoyable. The niche needs more bands with that certain bit of agro hidden inside.

Even scheduling the recording is becoming a nightmare. Erek has joined up with a pretty prominent musician in New York and will be doing numerous tours between now and when he officially moves up there. And now word has come that he is going to be heading up to Michigan to record with Laura Jane Grace of Against Me during this time as well...lol... The boy his his dream motherload. And for that I am happy for him. But man is it stressing me out.

Thankfully, we did demo most of the material in the studio back in December. So it isn't like there are no recordings. They just aren't complete. And, even more, they are there for someone else to learn from. I am just trying to avoid in any way I can having to use a fill in player on the album.

THE KBK ... This is the last known signal. We offer Sanctuary.

www.thekbk.com
http://www.deepeddy.net/artists/thekbk/
www.reverbnation.com/thekbk
www.facebook.com/thekbkal

killbabykill34 wrote:

And now word has come that he is going to be heading up to Michigan to record with Laura Jane Grace of Against Me during this time as well...lol... The boy his his dream motherload. And for that I am happy for him. But man is it stressing me out.

Man, it sucks that you're losing him, but if you gotta I'd say that's a pretty strong reason.

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Richard wrote:

killbabykill34 wrote:

And now word has come that he is going to be heading up to Michigan to record with Laura Jane Grace of Against Me during this time as well...lol... The boy his his dream motherload. And for that I am happy for him. But man is it stressing me out.

Yeah...not that it should come as any surprise to anyone that knows him...but Erek is going to become quite well known in the next few years, well outside of this niche genre. And we couldn't be more happy for him or proud.

Man, it sucks that you're losing him, but if you gotta I'd say that's a pretty strong reason.

THE KBK ... This is the last known signal. We offer Sanctuary.

www.thekbk.com
http://www.deepeddy.net/artists/thekbk/
www.reverbnation.com/thekbk
www.facebook.com/thekbkal

Don't be too jealous...he is going to Michigan, in winter...

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