josheboy
Joined: Mar 13, 2009
Posts: 2365
Twin Cities, MN
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Posted on Jan 22 2016 10:00 AM
Hahahaha, I saw this video on youtube and I had to share.
Luckily these boards and the surf scene in general aren't filled with these types of guitar players. In fact, for the most part, our community strives to be as supportive as possible. We can get jerky with our approved gear, though.
Enjoy!
Discuss?
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Teiscofan
Joined: Feb 21, 2011
Posts: 513
Ontario
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Posted on Jan 22 2016 11:32 AM
Wow seriously funny as I would think we have all encountered this.... it made me think of some experiences I have had in music stores and in some gear discussions. How many people ran through their mental list of guitar players they know whilst watching this..lol
Thanks for posting.
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JObeast
Joined: Jul 24, 2012
Posts: 2762
Finknabad, Squinkistan
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Posted on Jan 22 2016 11:41 AM
I confess that I have played "competitively" in the past when I was a young buck and felt an immature need to dominate a fellow guitarist rather than collaborate, because he seemed to me to be "wussy" and unable to"bring it".
— Squink Out!
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JohnnyMosrite
Joined: Jun 14, 2006
Posts: 892
New York City area
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Posted on Jan 22 2016 09:57 PM
A little too "touchy-feely" for me. What is life without competition?
(Hint: A bit dull.) To get better in anything you have to practice and compete - first with yourself. Anybody familiar with the "hair cutting" sessions that the older blues players did among themselves?
And I strongly disagree with his comments about presenting your own work after commenting on the playing of someone else. Who says?
Points to consider:
1.Was your opinion sought?. That being the case - can an honest answer be appreciated.
2.Why the hell does that mean you have to counter with a demo of your own. You didn't seek anyone's opinion on your playing; someone sought your opinion of theirs.
The man in the video is entitled to his opinions.
But a dirty little fact of life.. one size most likely does not fit all or at all.
Philosophically and stuff...
J Mo'
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Stormtiger
Joined: Dec 12, 2006
Posts: 2682
Ventura, CA
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Posted on Jan 23 2016 02:04 PM
Oh Johnny Mosrite,
You did exactly what the guy said not to do, you took it seriously.
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Matt22
Joined: Feb 15, 2007
Posts: 2826
Fredericksburg, Virginia
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Posted on Jan 23 2016 03:42 PM
Stormtiger wrote:
Oh Johnny Mosrite,
You did exactly what the guy said not to do, you took it seriously.
+1
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eddiekatcher
Joined: Mar 14, 2006
Posts: 2775
Atlanta, GA
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Posted on Jan 23 2016 04:22 PM
Hey guys, it's ok, he's from New York............
Evil Ed.
— Traditional........speak softly and play through a big blonde amp. Did I mention that I still like big blonde amps?
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JohnnyMosrite
Joined: Jun 14, 2006
Posts: 892
New York City area
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Posted on Jan 23 2016 09:28 PM
eddie,
yes.. and that means I have an opinion.. you guys in Atlanta don't?
J Mo'
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killbabykill34
Joined: Apr 03, 2010
Posts: 3201
Jacksonville, AL
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Posted on Jan 24 2016 09:21 AM
So much of this is spot on. I am laughing uncomfortably. Most of these, to my experience, seem way more common among non-working hobbyists and/or cover artists(cough...Bruce Duncan..cough...cough...).
My experience, which is admitedly clouded by spending so many years in the unusual community that is the surf community, is that I don't see nearly as much of this as friends that play metal and such do. This isn't really much of a competative genre. But I have seen one too many comments on here at times concentrating on the quality of someones gear or commenting on technical skill while ignoring songwriting ability.
To this day, if I had one complaint about the fantastic all surf events we have the priviledge to play, it would be those in the front that soend more time watching my hands or stearing at my gear than they do actually listening to the music, which is where our pride is centered.
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eddiekatcher
Joined: Mar 14, 2006
Posts: 2775
Atlanta, GA
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Posted on Jan 24 2016 10:41 AM
Hey J-Mo,
No offense intended, just a little north/south face slapping, all in good fun my good man. Opinion, me? Are you kidding?
Hey if I get lucky enough to go into a music store and some jackass isn't destroying either, Smoke on the Water, Free Turd, or Stairway to whatever, I've had a good outing.
Years back when I was in the Army stationed in Arlington, VA, I had the "pleasure" of visiting a music store up there that kept most of the amps in a glass enclosed, semi-sound proof "demonstration room." At that time, I hated it. You had to request entrance, have an employee unlock the room and chaperone you. Now I am wondering if maybe, just maybe, those guys figured it out early.
Hey Skeet, didn't you tell me once that you knew which place that was?
In closing, when one gets to age that I am, it is pretty easy to just pass that obnoxious joker off as a moron and leave.......
That's about the time that Woody and I would just head for the US Grill and have lunch.
Wise old evil Ed.
— Traditional........speak softly and play through a big blonde amp. Did I mention that I still like big blonde amps?
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1138
Joined: Mar 01, 2012
Posts: 95
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Posted on Jan 24 2016 11:04 AM
eddiekatcher wrote:
Years back when I was in the Army stationed in Arlington, VA, I had the "pleasure" of visiting a music store up there that kept most of the amps in a glass enclosed, semi-sound proof "demonstration room." At that time, I hated it. You had to request entrance, have an employee unlock the room and chaperone you. Now I am wondering if maybe, just maybe, those guys figured it out early.
Boy those were the days...most small music stores by me are completely gone, and you are left with Guitar Center. Of those, only one I know of in the entire 50-60 mile radius has a very small room where you can try an amp in private. All the rest of them...complete free for all of musical chaos. Now that doesn't mean all the people there are jerk players, but once the egos start raising the volumes of the amps...well, you know what happens next
I remember once trying a Fender amp at a Sam Ash store. Whenever I try something out, I always try to play as quietly as possible so I don't bother people. There was some dude about 20' away from me trying a small tube amp, possible a Blues Jr, who was definitely not trying to be as quiet as possible. Well, all I had to do was strum my guitar once or twice and this guy started getting more frantic and louder in his one note bend he kept doing....wah...wahhh....wahhhhhh!!!! I actually found it kind of funny and was trying not to laugh, but he was trying to tell me in a not so subtle way that my mere strumming was apparently stealing the thunder from his one-note bend!
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JohnnyMosrite
Joined: Jun 14, 2006
Posts: 892
New York City area
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Posted on Jan 24 2016 11:33 AM
Eddie, 1138, et al.
I take a more direct approach. If some Jerkwater kid is playing the usual offensive junk while I'm trying an amp or guitar in a store - after 10-15 minutes of shred listening, I simply tell him (or her) to shut up. That usually invites a salesperson who echos my sentiments in more "sensitive" communication. The goofy kid usually leaves or goes to another area of the store.
I'm usually done trying out whatever I had my eye on in 5 minutes.. then it's sale/no sale time.
I actually had some spoiled brat go through several pieces I brought to a vintage guiatr show to sell. Mumsie stood nearby while junior indulged himself with my merch.. After 10 minutes, I suggested she take him to the toy store; I had other customers waiting to buy something. For some reason, she got offended. Go figure.
Yeah - It's cold;it's blunt but it halts the nonsense and gets to business.
J Mo'
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da-ron
Joined: Jan 02, 2009
Posts: 1305
The original Plymouth, UK.
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Posted on Jan 27 2016 06:32 AM
And tip number 11: Always criticise the sound guy at gigs. Bonus points for doing it over the mic and blaming him for making you sound bad.
Seen this done a few times and it never fails to impress.
I like the 'always criticise, never compliment' tip. I'm reminded of a saying: "Blowing out the other candle does not make yours shine brighter"
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palo
Joined: Apr 23, 2012
Posts: 421
fresno california u.s.a.
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Posted on Feb 02 2016 11:33 PM
THIERS NOT JUST GUITAR JERKS
thiers jerks everywhere.
hey i resemble that remark.
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djangodeadman
Joined: Jan 25, 2007
Posts: 1566
Brighton UK
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Posted on Feb 03 2016 03:14 AM
da-ron wrote:
And tip number 11: Always criticise the sound guy at gigs. Bonus points for doing it over the mic and blaming him for making you sound bad.
Seen this done a few times and it never fails to impress.
Speaking as a sound guy, I would definitely recommend that you do this. After all, it's not like I can respond by totally wrecking you gig or anything, is it?
To be fair, in my experience, most musicians are very appreciative of my efforts on their behalf, especially if I make it possible for them to actually hear what they need to hear.
— Los Fantasticos
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da-ron
Joined: Jan 02, 2009
Posts: 1305
The original Plymouth, UK.
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Posted on Feb 03 2016 05:40 AM
djangodeadman wrote:
da-ron wrote:
And tip number 11: Always criticise the sound guy at gigs. Bonus points for doing it over the mic and blaming him for making you sound bad.
Seen this done a few times and it never fails to impress.
Speaking as a sound guy, I would definitely recommend that you do this. After all, it's not like I can respond by totally wrecking you gig or anything, is it?
To be fair, in my experience, most musicians are very appreciative of my efforts on their behalf, especially if I make it possible for them to actually hear what they need to hear.
We played support to a popular covers band once. They had a mountain of stuff to play a small pub - full lighting rig and pa, and even separate sound and light guys. We set up while they went somewhere else - the sound guy said, "it's all set up ready for you"
We started to play and it was going well, but the banter with the crowd wasn't so I gave that up and just played the songs. Turns out, that while I could hear my voice on the foldback clear as anything, out front it had been set to be as muffled as possible. Luckily, we don't sing! We had people dancing in the streets outside...
Support band nobbled by the main band's sound guy - does that still happen..?!
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djangodeadman
Joined: Jan 25, 2007
Posts: 1566
Brighton UK
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Posted on Feb 03 2016 07:40 AM
da-ron wrote:
Support band nobbled by the main band's sound guy - does that still happen..?!
Depends on the sound guy, I guess. At big gigs the support often seem to get less good sound, but that may be as much to do with having less soundcheck time, I imagine.
Many years ago, in my jangly indie days, my band played a fairly prestigious (by our standards, at least, gig) and took our own engineer along. The headliners' engineer definitely told our guy to not mix us "too loud" (ie they had to sound more impressive than us). And this band were friends of ours. In the event, both bands sounded pretty damn good, so no worries really.
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