Badger
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Posted on Jan 12 2016 02:26 PM
Thought this was noteworthy, given the rationale by the company (vinyl sales). Guess these are going to be pretty spendy.
Full article here.
"As for why Panasonic is bringing back the 1200 now, after a six-year hiatus, the company says it's a direct response to the recent growth in vinyl sales. Earlier this year, BPI boss Geoff Taylor said that vinyl revenues were worth more than the "14 billion music streams on YouTube" in 2014. While that factoid is up for debate, vinyl sales have indeed been on the up over the past few years, increasing by as much as 56 percent in the last year in the UK alone."
Never could afford that Thorsen, but I have enjoyed my Dual. Sold a Technics once to buddy in the Brit sector before heading back to the 'States; liked it quite a bit though. Made good $$$ & still had my Dual.
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JObeast
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Posted on Jan 12 2016 03:33 PM
Get a Music Hall turntable. Made in same Czech factory as Pro-Ject, with pretty much same quality, at lower price.
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Fady
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North Carolina
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Posted on Jan 12 2016 04:35 PM
I would ~really~ love to get a decent (read: above entry level) turntable, amp & speaker setup to get back into vinyl. The thing that keeps me from jumping is the ridiculous price of records nowadays. Seems $20-25 a pop is the standard, and we're fast on the way to $30+ per album.
I've read some interesting takes on digital file sharing being the downfall of the record industry that get counter pointed with "well, if the damn record companies wouldn't have gotten so greedy asking $18 for a CD, there would be far less demand for the otherwise inferior alternative".
I don't pretend to think it's that simple. Nothing ever is. But that's an interesting take to consider. At what point does the price of vinyl kill the market?
For me, I think it already has. 
The other interesting news on this front - the return of Columbia House for records. Jack White is probably celebrating; there's a new target for the ire aimed his way for dominating the worlds pressing capacity.
I have a hard time seeing the supply / demand economics getting any better for the average consumer anytime soon, and that's a real pity. I think the vinyl listening experience is something todays society could use a whole lot more of.
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ElBirkerio
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Vienna
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Posted on Jan 12 2016 04:41 PM
Hi!
The price is pretty ridiculous - it sells for more than double the price of my pro-jet debut carbon. For DJing, I was happy so far with 2 Stantons ...
yours wolfi
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Badger
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Posted on Jan 12 2016 05:03 PM
ElBirkerio wrote:
Hi!
The price is pretty ridiculous - it sells for more than double the price of my pro-jet debut carbon.
Agree. At initial entry into the market (a long time ago in a galaxy far far away) it was kinda spendy. That's why so many .mil buddies bought a Dual or Garrard & put their money into JBL 4311's or the amp or something & that was when albums in the PX were basically $2.50 per record.
The Sidewalk Surfing album I just got was at one point in someone's $3.79-4.79 bin - it still has the 50-cents yard-sale sticker on it.
Anyway, just thought the point made in the article was interesting although don't know how valid the numbers are.
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ElMonstroPorFavor
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Posted on Jan 12 2016 05:04 PM
This was pretty exciting news until recent reports that it's going to cost 4 grand. Ha! I've got a 1200. It's nice, but for my living room I'd rather something fully automatic
@Onslow I hear ya. When I was first getting into it, it was because it was cheap. It still is for me, but that's because I wake up at 6am and hit garage sales for four hours nearly every Saturday. That pricing is definitely a result of high mark-ups to cash in on a frenzy, but it's also supply and demand: pressing plants can't keep up with the tons of orders to press to vinyl, the process gets expensive, bands get stuck in a long line, almost need to make their vinyl a "premium product" to make it all worthwhile, especially when they can't expect to fill more orders in a reasonable amount of time.
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ElBirkerio
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Vienna
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Posted on Jan 12 2016 05:11 PM
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psychonaut
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Posted on Jan 12 2016 05:35 PM
If you think about it and factor in for inflation, $20 in 2016 for an album is not that much and is pretty much in line with what they always cost. I remember an average album in 1977 costing around $5.99, the value of which in todays money is $24.17.
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Fady
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North Carolina
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Posted on Jan 12 2016 05:54 PM
The same extrapolation holds true for median income in the US from 1977 to 2014 census data, so that's a totally fair comment and healthy perspective, Viktor.
Also fair comment, Hunter, on the "vintage" market (aka: Garage Sales, Thrift Stores, etc).
I was amused at the business savvy of Urban Outfitters who are no doubt pushing the turntables and current releases, but apparently selling the same "vintage" records found at garage sales for about $10 a pop.
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stratdancer
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Akron, Ohio
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Posted on Jan 12 2016 06:05 PM
I'd like to get a turntable in my cabinet but what I really want is a tube driven stereo amplifier like the old days. My buddy built one and it's like stepping back into the 60's listening to it. Just like mom and pops's!
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JObeast
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Finknabad, Squinkistan
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Posted on Jan 12 2016 06:15 PM
I was spinning vinyl through 2014 on a Music Hall entry-level phonograph, with a vintage Fisher 400 25w tube receiver into Klipsch Heresy speakers and a 100w subwoofer. I sold the phonograph and don't know when I will be able to afford a new, better Music Hall or similar record player.
The system sounded like velvet - lowest ear fatigue I've ever experienced, i was enjoying music at fairly loud levels all day. The weakest link must have been the phono cartridge as listening to NSSR through my iMac with an MBox as D/A interface was pure bliss.
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Badger
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Wisconsin
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Posted on Jan 12 2016 07:46 PM
stratdancer wrote:
I'd like to get a turntable in my cabinet but what I really want is a tube driven stereo amplifier like the old days. My buddy built one and it's like stepping back into the 60's listening to it. Just like mom and pops's!
That tonality is one of the things that still makes xlnt-condition 70's receivers (e.g., Marantz, Sansui, et al) from the day command decent prices. Even though SS, they have a warmth that is sometimes not heard in current stuff. (Plus some of them are sub-STAN-tial in their mass.) 
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ElBirkerio
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Vienna
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Posted on Jan 13 2016 05:35 AM
hi!
psychonaut wrote:
If you think about it and factor in for inflation,
a fair comment - i just checked inflation over here - 150 Schilling in 1990 (standard price for an LP) corresponds to 19 € ... what made things more expensive in the beginning was the introduction of CDs - these were way more costly those days.
yours
wolfi
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Gilette
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Posted on Jan 13 2016 06:40 AM
Good news! It's still one of my favorite pastimes; playing records for hours on end with friends. I have two technics turntables and I think they're worth every penny. If you have a record collection worth playing every once in a while, do yourself a favor and get one of these. There's nothing on the market right now that surpasses them in reliability, sturdiness and serviceability. Just get a good pickup as well. Something like an Ortofon will do great. These thing will hold their value too, so when you're done you can always sell for a good price.
I'll now put on one of my Herb Alpert albums. He's good, you know...
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BillAqua
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Posted on Jan 15 2016 07:54 AM
Cool! My main turntable is a used Technics 1200 I picked up on eBay a few years back.
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eddiekatcher
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Posted on Jan 15 2016 01:12 PM
Damn guys, all this great banter about vinyl gets me itchin' to pony up for a new stylus for the Bang and O table that's covered with dust down in the Boatwerx.
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Badger
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Posted on Jan 15 2016 01:46 PM
eddiekatcher wrote:
...the Bang and O table that's covered with dust down in the Boatwerx.
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LordWellfleet
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Posted on Jan 15 2016 01:56 PM
It's AudioKarma.com day at SurfGuitar 101! Having rekindled my love of vinyl, but lacking deep pockets and the desire to fiddle about with vintage gear, I was happy to recently make the acquaintance of U-Turn Audio. Base model is $180. Decent upgrades get you to around $350-400, which for me is still doable.
http://uturnaudio.com/turntables/
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psychonaut
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Posted on Jan 16 2016 09:10 AM
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Fady
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North Carolina
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Posted on Jan 16 2016 11:02 AM
LordWellfleet wrote:
I was happy to recently make the acquaintance of U-Turn Audio. Base model is $180. Decent upgrades get you to around $350-400, which for me is still doable.
http://uturnaudio.com/turntables/
Oooohhh... Interested! Thanks for the tip!
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