live365 may close in new year

mom_surfing

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Posted on Dec 31 2015 10:36 PM

don't know if anyone has seen this. this could be the end of some smaller radio stations streaming, including my local station.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/31/live365_to_close/

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zzero

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Posted on Jan 01 2016 08:33 AM

Got a notice on it last night. Got the impression that if some high dollar
types don't rescue LIVE365 before Jan. 31, then they are gone. Paid subscribers can their money back if the place collapses. Will miss your show Carol!

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Fady

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Posted on Jan 01 2016 09:59 AM

Man, that stinks.

Wondering how much of this is revenue side (economics, business model) vs. corporate/large competitor muscles which is making things untenable. In other words, would a truck load of cash make it sustainable, or is that really just kicking the can down the road a little?

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Badger

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Posted on Jan 01 2016 02:57 PM

From the article:

The web radio show favourite said new royalty rates set by the Copyright Royalty Board will no longer make provisions for small webcasters to opt for a percentage of the rates.

The current provisions end at the end of 2015. The absence of this licence will make legally streaming copyrighted musical content prohibitively expensive for many small- to mid-sized internet broadcasters, said the body.

2-edged blades cut both ways.

Question for those on the other side of the Atlantic (truly don't know). Is this stuff part of the larger initiatives/treaties that have been happening which, for example, keep some youtube streaming from reaching folks in some countries in the EU? Or is this simply a separate decision by the UK?

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JakeDobner

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Posted on Jan 01 2016 03:26 PM

Youtube streaming being blocked has to do with rights, generally music and rights don't coexist. Television works on a 'rights' basis and sell the rights to their programming to different channels in different countries.

The UK is particularly stringent on their rights as BBC programming is funded by the state/taxpayers. Therefore making it available for free to non-UK citizens is not particularly okay.

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Badger

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Posted on Jan 01 2016 04:49 PM

Thanks for the explanation.

It seems that there was a choice to make and the governing board went in the non-facilitating direction. Some other (albeit quick) research indicates they were headed in this way of thinking the last time they re-did the license period, with the "basic unit of a willing seller" being benchmarked as a record company. Things that make you say "hunh." Guess I should've asked, 'cui bono?'

Does this (now or downstream) have an affect on a band's music being viewable/listenable on their own website? (Or could be I'm just one of those whose hairs stand up when I hear "we're from the Government and we're here to help.")

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CrazyAces

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Posted on Jan 01 2016 06:54 PM

Carol,
I sure hope we don't lose your (and others as well) show.

Cheers,
Jeff

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mom_surfing

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Posted on Jan 01 2016 09:09 PM

this note from our station computer guy........

'We are licensed as a non commercial webcaster and pay royalties directly to SoundExchange. A quick read of the copyright royalty board (CRB) ruling seems to indicate that our rate will stay the same. If Live365 goes under we'll have to find another streaming host.'

seems like more of a pain than anything, so for the time being, our station is still streaming.

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CousinMary

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Posted on Jan 02 2016 11:59 AM

KFJC does not use Live365 so among other things that means that there are alternatives.

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mom_surfing Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 5325 the outer banks of north carolina	Posted on Dec 31 2015 10:36 PM don't know if anyone has seen this. this could be the end of some smaller radio stations streaming, including my local station. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/31/live365_to_close/ — www.surfintheeye.com Top
zzero Joined: Jul 09, 2010 Posts: 1153 Lillian Alabama	Posted on Jan 01 2016 08:33 AM Got a notice on it last night. Got the impression that if some high dollar types don't rescue LIVE365 before Jan. 31, then they are gone. Paid subscribers can their money back if the place collapses. Will miss your show Carol! — Enjoying the surf,sun and sand!! Top
Fady Joined: Mar 07, 2010 Posts: 2279 North Carolina	Posted on Jan 01 2016 09:59 AM Man, that stinks. Wondering how much of this is revenue side (economics, business model) vs. corporate/large competitor muscles which is making things untenable. In other words, would a truck load of cash make it sustainable, or is that really just kicking the can down the road a little? — Fady El Mirage & Mondo Guitaro Top
Badger Joined: Nov 16, 2013 Posts: 4538 Wisconsin	Posted on Jan 01 2016 02:57 PM From the article: The web radio show favourite said new royalty rates set by the Copyright Royalty Board will no longer make provisions for small webcasters to opt for a percentage of the rates. The current provisions end at the end of 2015. The absence of this licence will make legally streaming copyrighted musical content prohibitively expensive for many small- to mid-sized internet broadcasters, said the body. 2-edged blades cut both ways. Question for those on the other side of the Atlantic (truly don't know). Is this stuff part of the larger initiatives/treaties that have been happening which, for example, keep some youtube streaming from reaching folks in some countries in the EU? Or is this simply a separate decision by the UK? — Wes SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel DISCLAIMER: The above is opinion/suggestion only & should not be used for mission planning/navigation, tweaking of instruments, beverage selection, or wardrobe choices. Top
JakeDobner Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle	Posted on Jan 01 2016 03:26 PM Youtube streaming being blocked has to do with rights, generally music and rights don't coexist. Television works on a 'rights' basis and sell the rights to their programming to different channels in different countries. The UK is particularly stringent on their rights as BBC programming is funded by the state/taxpayers. Therefore making it available for free to non-UK citizens is not particularly okay. Top
Badger Joined: Nov 16, 2013 Posts: 4538 Wisconsin	Posted on Jan 01 2016 04:49 PM Thanks for the explanation. It seems that there was a choice to make and the governing board went in the non-facilitating direction. Some other (albeit quick) research indicates they were headed in this way of thinking the last time they re-did the license period, with the "basic unit of a willing seller" being benchmarked as a record company. Things that make you say "hunh." Guess I should've asked, 'cui bono?' Does this (now or downstream) have an affect on a band's music being viewable/listenable on their own website? (Or could be I'm just one of those whose hairs stand up when I hear "we're from the Government and we're here to help.") — Wes SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel DISCLAIMER: The above is opinion/suggestion only & should not be used for mission planning/navigation, tweaking of instruments, beverage selection, or wardrobe choices. Top
CrazyAces Joined: Jul 31, 2012 Posts: 4054 Buffalo, N.Y.	Posted on Jan 01 2016 06:54 PM Carol, I sure hope we don't lose your (and others as well) show. Cheers, Jeff — http://www.facebook.com/CrazyAcesMusic http://www.youtube.com/user/crazyacesrock http://www.reverbnation.com/crazyacesmusic Top
mom_surfing Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 5325 the outer banks of north carolina	Posted on Jan 01 2016 09:09 PM this note from our station computer guy........ 'We are licensed as a non commercial webcaster and pay royalties directly to SoundExchange. A quick read of the copyright royalty board (CRB) ruling seems to indicate that our rate will stay the same. If Live365 goes under we'll have to find another streaming host.' seems like more of a pain than anything, so for the time being, our station is still streaming. — www.surfintheeye.com Top
CousinMary Joined: Nov 16, 2009 Posts: 1077 San Francisco Bay Area	Posted on Jan 02 2016 11:59 AM KFJC does not use Live365 so among other things that means that there are alternatives. Top

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