shivers13
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Posted on Sep 30 2015 08:49 PM
Just came across this LP on ebay... Live at the 1963 Santa Monica Surf Fair w/ Lil' Ray w/ the Premiers, The Original Surfaris, The Virtue Four, Dave Myers and the Surf Tones, The New Dimensions and Steve Korey.
Rather pricey at $129 bucks but I've never come across it before in 30 years of collecting records. Does anyone own one or heard it?
I'm guessing this is where the Original Surfaris live recording of Moment of Truth comes from. Also, two of the New Dimensions tracks may be what's on their "best of" CD but I don't recall if I've heard the other tracks on the LP. I thought this record is pretty noteworthy since so little live material exists of 60's surf bands.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SHAKE-SHOUT-SOUL-63-LIVE-SANTA-MONICA-SURF-FAIR-HOT-ROD-GARAGE-LP-/231689819960?hash=item35f1ca1738
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shivers13
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Posted on Sep 30 2015 08:53 PM
Guessing this LP is where this Original Surfaris recording comes from but would love to know more.
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Sonichris
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Posted on Sep 30 2015 10:56 PM
That is really cool! I'd love to hear it.
The back cover has an interesting rant by Tony Hilder.
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shivers13
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Posted on Sep 30 2015 11:30 PM
Indeed! Hilder's rant is epic. Red Scare stuff all the way, obviously written in the shadow of the Cuban Missile Crisis. This must be one of the first uses of the word "Hippie", without a doubt. Pretty wild of him to use a Surf Music LP as a political soapbox. Completely fascinating to say the least!!!
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Posted on Oct 01 2015 12:23 AM
I believe most of these gems went to collectors in Europe in the 1970s and 1980s when we here in Germany and other European countries were hot on buying original material from the 60s.( I paid for most items less than 15$ in those days!!)
I got my copy on September 9th, 1977
In Stephen McParland´s California Music Magzin I had written once a small article and discography on the Original Surfaris.
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Posted on Oct 01 2015 01:44 AM
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Badger
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Posted on Oct 01 2015 05:55 AM
Sonichris wrote:
That is really cool! I'd love to hear it.
The back cover has an interesting rant by Tony Hilder.
Yeah, he sets the tone with the comment on the record by the spindle hole.
Would love to know what year this was actually released; has to be during LBJ's reign.
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shivers13
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Posted on Oct 01 2015 12:09 PM
This was definitely released either when LBJ was VP or shortly after assuming the presidency after Kennedy's assassination. Conservatives heavily slammed the administration for what they felt was a weak stance on Communism which is obviously reflected in Hilder's liner rant.
Pretty bizarre to use a surf record aimed at teens for his political soapbox, but Tony Hilder was a pretty eccentric character. He was an A&R man and producer involved with Jim Waller's Surfin' Wild, The Revels Church Key, Dave Myers and The Surftones and many other surf projects. But he was also conservative activist, talk show host, actor and UFO and Illuminati conspiracy theory filmmaker!! Check out his Wiki page. Pretty wild stuff. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_J._Hilder
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Sonichris
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Posted on Oct 01 2015 03:47 PM
To me, nothing says good times like some live surf music, and a political rant. Absolutely crazy!
I knew he was eccentric, but wow, I had no idea. I read the wiki page, and he was even more outspoken than I realized.
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John
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Posted on Oct 01 2015 04:00 PM
"Shake, Shout & Soul" was the second, and final, release on Tony Hilder's Impact label (The Revels' "On A Rampage" was the first). It was released in early 1964, but recorded at the 2nd annual "Surf Fair" that was held on December 27th and 28th, 1963, at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium. Most of these tracks have not appeared elsewhere. While they sound as if they were recorded live, I'm guessing that Hilder might have used an additional track of crowd noise. On Sundazed's New Dimensions reissue, the crowd noise on "Souling USA" and "Avalanche" is greatly reduced.
Interestingly, stage banter at the beginning of "Soulin' USA" on the vinyl album appears before "Avalanche" on the Sundazed CD. "Miserlou" on the Sundazed CD is without any crowd noise but it sounds like it could be the same track as on the "Shake, Shout & Soul" LP. So, one could conclude that, while these tracks were cut live, some crowd noise might have been introduced during mixdown on a separate track by Hilder. Bob Irwin may have decided to mix that down, or take it out, when he mastered the Sundazed New Dimensions' CD. I can ask him about this if the discussion of this LP gets more heated.
Hilder was politically a staunch conservative. He strongly supported Barry Goldwater for president in the '64 election, although incumbent Johnson won. His spiffy little note on the LP label, "Our country can never go right by going left," alluded to a typical practice with his 45 rpm releases. Not only did he print little right-wing sayings on his labels, several releases were out and out right-wing manifestos: The New Breed's "John Birch Americans" and "Our Opinion of Barry Goldwater, the Next President" by Efrem Zimbalist, Walter Brennan (!!), Ronald Reagan, et al, were both Impact releases right alongside The Revels and Dave Myers/Suftones. But I digress...
"Shake, Shout & Soul" is a very rare genre release as is The Revels' LP that preceded it. It's also a live recording and, as Norm has pointed out, not many live recordings were made of first-wave surf bands, so it's even more desirable because of that. Is $129 pricey for the copy currently on eBay?? I would imagine that's probably reasonable, especially if you've never heard of it in 30 years of record collecting.
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spskins
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Posted on Oct 01 2015 04:23 PM
shivers13 wrote:
Indeed! Hilder's rant is epic. Red Scare stuff all the way, obviously written in the shadow of the Cuban Missile Crisis. This must be one of the first uses of the word "Hippie", without a doubt. Pretty wild of him to use a Surf Music LP as a political soapbox. Completely fascinating to say the least!!!
Here's another early use of hippie, also from '63, but all the way across the country in Philly. Check out the first line!
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shivers13
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Posted on Oct 01 2015 04:39 PM
Interesting use of the term Hippy that early on. I knew about that South Street tune but didn't think it was that common. Seems like the meaning changed a bit as the 60's rolled on.
Thanks for the insight, John! Totally fascinated by the LP from the standpoint of the rare recordings it contains and the bizarre liner notes by Hilder. You confirmed what I suspected. I have the two tracks that appear on the New Dimensions CD, and the live Moment of Truth by the Original Surfaris from the LP comp that Domenic did. Would love to hear the rest but the $129 is holding me back. 
What do you know about the other artists like Steve Kory who performs with the New Dimensions? Would love to hear that and the live Dave Myers. Then there’s the Virtue Four?? I was wondering if they're AKA the Surfside Four that’s featured on this poster for the fair which also says The Beach Boys performed. Can’t recall ever hearing a tune called Surf Fair by The Surfside Four but you never know. Must be a Hilder deal but never found it. I wonder why this poster didn't have the names of the bands on this LP.
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John
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Posted on Oct 01 2015 05:58 PM
Surfside Four's "Surf Fair" is listed in my book. No Hilder connection with them. All the acts on the "Shake, Shout & Soul" LP were Hilder artists, either signed to one of his labels, managed by him, or fledgling acts he wanted to promote. I think The Virtue 4 and Steve Kory were in this last category (however, I'm not aware of any studio recordings by either of them). Hilder was quite the writer, producer, and publisher. His name appeared on tons of 60's recordings and on labels such as Almor, Challenge, Del-Fi, GSP, GNP Crescendo, Impact, Jaguar, Liberty, Northridge, Shepherd, Sutton, Tollie, and quite a few others.
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shivers13
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Posted on Oct 01 2015 08:36 PM
Thanks, John! Yeah, Hilder is one of those names you see associated with tons of surf recordings. A wild character to say the least!
I was hoping YouTube might have the Surfside Four single, Surfboard B/W Surf Fair that you cover in your book but they don't, surprisingly enough! It's mainly of interest because they are featured on the show poster with The Beach Boys but I've never actually heard the recording. Not that I can remember at the moment, anyway.
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Badger
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Posted on Oct 02 2015 06:15 AM
Thanks John for sharing your knowledge. I'm not surprised at the political bent on the record/record jacket given the times. (Santa Barbara & points south was like a different country then.) Little pieces of history & thankfully the great music survives.
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Klas
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Posted on Oct 02 2015 07:15 AM
shivers13 wrote:
I'm guessing this is where the Original Surfaris live recording of Moment of Truth comes from.
Yes, as well as their live recording of "Delano Soul Beat".
John wrote:
"Miserlou" on the Sundazed CD is without any crowd noise but it sounds like it could be the same track as on the "Shake, Shout & Soul" LP. So, one could conclude that, while these tracks were cut live...
The track details on the Sundazed CD actually states that "Miserlou" is a previously unissued outtake from the Deuces & Eights recording sessions.
shivers13 wrote:
I wonder why this poster didn't have the names of the bands on this LP.
Because the poster is for the 1962 fair, not the 1963 one that the LP covered. 
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shivers13
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Posted on Oct 02 2015 08:45 AM
Very cool. Thanks Klas! Dig it when you come back!
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Posted on Oct 03 2015 01:54 AM
Cheers, Norman!
Klas wrote:
John wrote:
"Miserlou" on the Sundazed CD is without any crowd noise but it sounds like it could be the same track as on the "Shake, Shout & Soul" LP. So, one could conclude that, while these tracks were cut live...
The track details on the Sundazed CD actually states that "Miserlou" is a previously unissued outtake from the Deuces & Eights recording sessions.
A possibility is of course that Hilder took the session recording and then just added crowd noise to it, something not that uncommon in the 60's. We even did it for a track by one of our side projects, The Royal Vikings...
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Posted on Nov 02 2015 10:44 AM
Tony Hilder, often working with Bob Hafner, leased many of these great cuts to budget labels like Sutton, Guest Star and Almor. It was unusual for him to include some in an album for on his own label Impact, although he did use Impact a lot for singles. Of course some of the budget stuff was mislabeled, which I tried to sort out in my book on rock rarities on budget LPs. The main culprit is Guest Star, which even has the Beach Boys mistakenly credited for one cut!
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