Stormtiger
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Ventura, CA
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Posted on Apr 06 2007 01:52 PM
How many of you guitarists leave your volume control on the guitar wide open?
I usually do. However I was test driving my new Blues Junior, which is much louder than the Champ I normally practice with, and I found I was using the volume pot a lot more than I used to. By backing off a bit I was getting better definition, tone and balanced volume across the strings. I remember someone saying Outerwave turned their amps all the way up and lowered guitar volume, resulting in an awesome sound. I just re-read an interview with Roy Buchanan who does the same thing. I think it really opens up the variety of tones you can get without using pedals.
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dp
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
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mojave desert, california
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Posted on Apr 06 2007 02:29 PM
for decades, it seemed like I never ever touched my volume knob, on either bass or guitar: always ran full open. And even considered removing the volume knob entirely...
over the last 3-4 years, I have started turning the amps up louder and controlling volume with the knob...and sometimes with a volume pedal.
I have noticed an improved "tone" response (fuller spectrum) as well as "feel" response (attack volumes) on both guitar and bass...in addition, I now have something to work with when the time is right to "turn it up to 11"!
re: Roy Buchannan- I had the good fortune to catch his show down at the Coach House in San Juan Capistrano CA back in the mid-eighties...it left me speechless! He indeed did run his dual Fender amp rig wide open (if I remember correctly, it seems he had dual vintage tweed Bassman amps) and did amazing and astounding things with his hands on that old Telecaster...he used "the pinkie" and the "karate hand" on the volume knob all the while picking and fretting in his indubitable screaming wailing blues style...simply wicked beyond words!
-dp
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PhatTele
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Posted on Apr 06 2007 02:30 PM
Almost always down by a 1/4 to 1/2 for rhythm and full open for leads. I usually have a "treble bleed" or "volume kit" on my guitars (cap+resister).
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Wraydar
Joined: Apr 21, 2006
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San Antonio, TX
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Posted on Apr 06 2007 05:01 PM
I once thought volume knobs were pointless and actually removed both volume and tone knobs, one pickup, because I never used either. Found out I really did need them!
Damn the both serve the most obvious uses. If it's too loud or distorted turn down the volume a bit (no treble bleeds for me thanks. I agree with DP that it alters the tone ever so slightly, an inherent "problem" that I actually perfer.). Too bright and piercing turn down the tone, problem solved. No going to the amp all the controls you'll need are at your fingertips. However most of the tone twirling occurs whilst using the bridge pickup, but it's worth it. Bridge pickup is my current favorite, so versatile.
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eddiekatcher
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Atlanta, GA
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Posted on Apr 06 2007 05:14 PM
I too use my volume control on my Jazzmasters a lot. I like having just a little more ommmph to jump out over Sticks and Richard when I need it. I too use the "treble bleed" (cap and resistor) circuit on all my Jazzmasters and Jaguar. I couldn't leave home without it.......ed
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diceophonic
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PacNW (Vancouver, Wa U.S.A.)
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Posted on Apr 06 2007 06:28 PM
Open is the way I go, when your the lead guitar in a surf band
And when I'm not playing surf and playing Alterntative, mainstream, rockabilly, jazz ect.. both tone and volume are always opened full time you want to hear the guitars true voice and I do the same with bass guitar, the only thing controling my volume, tone, mid, bass is the amp
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Surfgitar
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Ft. Lauderdale, Florida
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Posted on Apr 06 2007 06:52 PM
I use both my volume knob and a volume pedal. I like to keep the amp turned up and depending on what song/part I'm playing I will use either to modulate my tone and blend in with the band. I agree with Eddie -it's nice to have a little sumpin' sumpin' in reserve to jump the drums or any other excitable band mate.
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Sonichris
Joined: Mar 06, 2006
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Posted on Apr 06 2007 09:12 PM
eddiekatcher
I too use my volume control on my Jazzmasters a lot. I like having just a little more ommmph to jump out over Sticks and Richard when I need it. I too use the "treble bleed" (cap and resistor) circuit on all my Jazzmasters and Jaguar. I couldn't leave home without it.......ed
Would you review this mod for us Eddie? I've been interested in it, but i can't remember exactly what it does, and how to do it?
personally, I think most of my guitars sound best turned slightly down from 10 - like 9 or 9.5 when i play lead - down even more for rhythm. Although halfway into a show - it's full tilt.
I too, read the Outer Wave info, and have changed my amp settings. My tone controls are way up from their previous settings, and the volume is down.
Chris
Chris
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Anonymous
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Posted on Apr 06 2007 09:42 PM
have always used the things--turn down for chording and full out for solos. strats are great for volume swells because of the V.C. location. just my preference. dp saw roy buchanan live?? cool, that man was a monster on the tele. now that is guitar playing sob. nuf said!! peace
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ShaunNecro
Joined: Mar 06, 2007
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Bay City (Michigan)
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Posted on Apr 06 2007 10:31 PM
I turn my volume knob down to about a seven or a six, and do most of my volume changing on my amp. I think it sounds best the way I got it. Also, my bass won't clip my amp at all this way.
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revmike
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North Atlantic
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Posted on Apr 07 2007 10:10 AM
I usually keep it wide open, and adjust my picking volume/pressure with my right hand for more or less break up.
Rev
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PhatTele
Joined: Jun 05, 2006
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Posted on Apr 07 2007 01:34 PM
Here's the treble bleed/volume kit mod...
http://www.fralinpickups.com/images/phazrev.jpg
I've tried various combinations of cap+resister suggested by Kinman, TV Jones, and some others. I always come back to Lindy Fralin's version. It sounds natural to me.
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Sonichris
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Posted on Apr 07 2007 07:15 PM
Thanks PhatTele! So it keeps the treble sound the same as the volume lowers?
Chris
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eddiekatcher
Joined: Mar 14, 2006
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Atlanta, GA
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Posted on Apr 07 2007 09:05 PM
Hi Chris, that's the schematic but I use different values. I use a 1 meg resistor and a 1000 pico farad ceramic disk cap. This combo presents approximately 500 K to the pickups and yields a very usable curve. The treble stays strong down to about the 1/2 way mark then it starts to take over and somewhat choke the bass out. However in the normal use range of the last 1/2 of the pot sweep, It works great! It's REALLY easy on a Jag because the control plate has only 3 screws and doesn't require removing the strings to get at it with a soldering iron......duck soup....ed
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wschart
Joined: Feb 21, 2007
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Columbia, MO
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Posted on Apr 16 2007 07:56 AM
I would tend to set my volume control to around 7 or 8 so that, if needed, I could turn it up if I found that I needed a bit more volume than what was set during sound check.
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PhatTele
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Posted on Apr 16 2007 08:16 AM
Sonichris - Yes. The overall balance of the tone actually remains as you turn down. Instead of having a usable range of 7-10 on the dial, now you get 2-10. Again, I've tried a bunch of different values for this cap+resister (TV Jones, Kinman, and others including a mod where you move the tone cap to the middle lugs of the volume and tone pots), but I always come back to Lindy's values. They seem to work with any guitar/PU combination I've put them on.
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Sonichris
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Posted on Apr 16 2007 09:51 AM
Cool info - Thanks!
Chris
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DejavuDave
Joined: May 09, 2007
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So Cal
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Posted on May 10 2007 07:44 AM
I use all the controls on my guitars, particularly the volume to control --- volume. I use a lot of dynamics. Using the volume and tone controls is just another technique of expression.
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Fripperton
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Posted on May 28 2007 07:30 PM
I never got into using the volume control on my guitars since I started using a volume pedal about 30 years ago. I play lead most of the time in Wave Invasion and I've just learned to make the dynamic adjustment with my hands once I've set the level with my pedal. I tried turning thew amps up and the guitar down but I found that I was losing dynamics so I went back to keeping my amps at a lower level and going flat out on the guitar volume knob and varying the level with my attack. I've been doing it that way for so long it's gotten quite natural for me. I got too many complaints about volume when I did it the other way.
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SurfBandBill
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San Francisco
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Posted on May 29 2007 10:22 PM
With the exception of a few RARE tracks, I seldom touch either volume or tone controls - I always leave both wide open. I always have both all the way up when I play bass.
Generally, if I adjust my tone on guitar, I do it by pickup selection choices.
~B~
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