Cruel Sea Chorus

WaimeaBay

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Posted on Jul 19 2015 07:29 PM

I'm having some troubles working out the chorus to "cruel sea" by the ventures. I have a feeling I am over complicating it.

Is it played as single notes or double-stops?

Anyone have any playing tips for this part?

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Ron-Rhoades

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Posted on Jul 19 2015 08:10 PM

"The Cruel Sea" was written by Mike Maxfield, guitarist for The Dakotas, and first released in the UK on the Parlaphone label in 1963.
The Ventures version from their album 'Surfing' is a near copy except for the difference in Nokie and Mike's styles but to me, The Ventures version is more of "our" surf style. It just feels like a surf tune to me even without the tank reverb.
Maybe listen to them both and then just "feel" it. There's also a video of The Ventures playing it 'live' in Japan in 1965....maybe you can pick something up there too and don't forget Ferenc's version from Polo Del Mar! Good luck. GREAT TUNE!!

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Brian

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Posted on Jul 19 2015 09:36 PM

Good luck with the tune it's a great song. Just thought I'd post some videos of various version, including one by several SG101'ers, El Mirage.

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Ron-Rhoades

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Posted on Jul 20 2015 01:59 AM

Thanks Brian...I should have done that.
The Ventures in Japan is fast man!! I think I saw Nokie crack a smile at 1:00 or so.....The Dakotas tempo is up there too. Sounds like they're just double pickin it like the theme from Bonanza.

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Last edited: Jul 20, 2015 01:59:47

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Badger

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Posted on Jul 20 2015 06:43 AM

I think Ron has it (just feel it), 'cause it seems there are lots of ways to play this. Some old wrist issues don't allow me to do alot of staccato picking so when I first learned it, I just arpeggiated the supporting chord formations in the chorus and played with different fingerings to get the vibe of the song.

Aside: Ron is Blue Avalanche going to be re-released or is it available somewhere? Saw it listed here, but out of stock

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Wes
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Ron-Rhoades

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Posted on Jul 20 2015 04:39 PM

Wes...thanks for asking...you can try Double Crown, Deep Eddy and also here: http://www.dwmmusic.com/order.asp?product=7763&artist=The+TakeOffs&title=Blue+Avalanche&price=12.98
Aloha,
-Ron

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PolloGuitar

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Posted on Jul 20 2015 05:20 PM

Hey Waimea Bay, I was going to make a video for you, but it wouldn't be any better than this guy. (Also, I have been playing it wrong for so many years, I can't go back.)

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Badger

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Wisconsin
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Posted on Jul 20 2015 05:54 PM

Ron-Rhoades wrote:

Wes...thanks for asking...you can try Double Crown, Deep Eddy and also here: http://www.dwmmusic.com/order.asp?product=7763&artist=The+TakeOffs&title=Blue+Avalanche&price=12.98
Aloha,
-Ron

Thanks Ron! Snagged it at DWM.
I'll try to remember to "think Aloha" when it's February up here.

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WaimeaBay

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Posted on Jul 20 2015 06:53 PM

thanks for all the replies brothers. There's a lot to digest here.

That video is awesome pollo. That might help me a bit (we'll see lol). I got a lot of work to do tonight, so tomorrow it will have to be before I am on my jag.

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WaimeaBay Joined: Jul 05, 2006 Posts: 969	Posted on Jul 19 2015 07:29 PM I'm having some troubles working out the chorus to "cruel sea" by the ventures. I have a feeling I am over complicating it. Is it played as single notes or double-stops? Anyone have any playing tips for this part? Top
Ron-Rhoades Joined: Aug 19, 2006 Posts: 958 Kekaha, Kauai, Hawaii	Posted on Jul 19 2015 08:10 PM "The Cruel Sea" was written by Mike Maxfield, guitarist for The Dakotas, and first released in the UK on the Parlaphone label in 1963. The Ventures version from their album 'Surfing' is a near copy except for the difference in Nokie and Mike's styles but to me, The Ventures version is more of "our" surf style. It just feels like a surf tune to me even without the tank reverb. Maybe listen to them both and then just "feel" it. There's also a video of The Ventures playing it 'live' in Japan in 1965....maybe you can pick something up there too and don't forget Ferenc's version from Polo Del Mar! Good luck. GREAT TUNE!! — The TakeOffs "Kauai's Only All-Instrumental Surf Band" http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-TakeOffs/312866840587 Top
Brian Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19340 Des Moines, Iowa, USA	Posted on Jul 19 2015 09:36 PM Good luck with the tune it's a great song. Just thought I'd post some videos of various version, including one by several SG101'ers, El Mirage. — Site dude - S3 Agent #202 Need help with the site? SG101 FAQ - Send me a private message - Email me "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea Top
Ron-Rhoades Joined: Aug 19, 2006 Posts: 958 Kekaha, Kauai, Hawaii	Posted on Jul 20 2015 01:59 AM Thanks Brian...I should have done that. The Ventures in Japan is fast man!! I think I saw Nokie crack a smile at 1:00 or so.....The Dakotas tempo is up there too. Sounds like they're just double pickin it like the theme from Bonanza. — The TakeOffs "Kauai's Only All-Instrumental Surf Band" http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-TakeOffs/312866840587 Last edited: Jul 20, 2015 01:59:47 Top
Badger Joined: Nov 16, 2013 Posts: 4537 Wisconsin	Posted on Jul 20 2015 06:43 AM I think Ron has it (just feel it), 'cause it seems there are lots of ways to play this. Some old wrist issues don't allow me to do alot of staccato picking so when I first learned it, I just arpeggiated the supporting chord formations in the chorus and played with different fingerings to get the vibe of the song. Aside: Ron is Blue Avalanche going to be re-released or is it available somewhere? Saw it listed here, but out of stock — Wes SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel DISCLAIMER: The above is opinion/suggestion only & should not be used for mission planning/navigation, tweaking of instruments, beverage selection, or wardrobe choices. Top
Ron-Rhoades Joined: Aug 19, 2006 Posts: 958 Kekaha, Kauai, Hawaii	Posted on Jul 20 2015 04:39 PM Wes...thanks for asking...you can try Double Crown, Deep Eddy and also here: http://www.dwmmusic.com/order.asp?product=7763&artist=The+TakeOffs&title=Blue+Avalanche&price=12.98 Aloha, -Ron — The TakeOffs "Kauai's Only All-Instrumental Surf Band" http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-TakeOffs/312866840587 Top
PolloGuitar Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 5107 San Francisco	Posted on Jul 20 2015 05:20 PM Hey Waimea Bay, I was going to make a video for you, but it wouldn't be any better than this guy. (Also, I have been playing it wrong for so many years, I can't go back.) — Buy Endless Drummer @ Bandcamp Frankie and the Pool Boys website Buy Speed of Dark @ Bandcamp Pollo Del Mar website My Blog- Euro Tour Blog Pool Boys on Spotify INSTAGRAM Frankie & The Pool Boys on Facebook Pollo Del Mar on Facebook DJ Frankie Pool Boy on North Sea Surf Radio Top
Badger Joined: Nov 16, 2013 Posts: 4537 Wisconsin	Posted on Jul 20 2015 05:54 PM Ron-Rhoades wrote: Wes...thanks for asking...you can try Double Crown, Deep Eddy and also here: http://www.dwmmusic.com/order.asp?product=7763&artist=The+TakeOffs&title=Blue+Avalanche&price=12.98 Aloha, -Ron Thanks Ron! Snagged it at DWM. I'll try to remember to "think Aloha" when it's February up here. — Wes SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel DISCLAIMER: The above is opinion/suggestion only & should not be used for mission planning/navigation, tweaking of instruments, beverage selection, or wardrobe choices. Top
WaimeaBay Joined: Jul 05, 2006 Posts: 969	Posted on Jul 20 2015 06:53 PM thanks for all the replies brothers. There's a lot to digest here. That video is awesome pollo. That might help me a bit (we'll see lol). I got a lot of work to do tonight, so tomorrow it will have to be before I am on my jag. Top

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