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Noel wrote:

DreadInBabylon wrote:

Simplest configuration for that:
DAW on computer(I again recommend REAPER):
track 1: add the stuff you wanna play over
track 2: armed for recording, mono input from soundcard [gtr->fx->amp->mic->pre->adc]
output: Master DAW track to soundcard to closed headphones.

And this means I record both tracks, hear both tracks while I'm playing, but only use my guitar track? Cool! And THANKS!!!!!

Too much use of the word track Big Grin ... tracked me off...
This means the DAW records only THE TRACK THAT IS ARMED, while the rest just plays back. Whatever you wanna record goes in, the DAW mixes it with whatever, and you monitor it all with phones. You'll get the hang of it.
Many options to achieve that though. The weakest link with consumer grade interfaces is the preamps' quality and specs, and lack of upgradability. You can achieve good sounding results. A classic modular system can consist of: pci interface -> external converter -> external preamp.

Last edited: Dec 23, 2014 16:22:19

Thanks, Ariel!

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

Noel! Long time no talk.

I'll offer up my (less than) expert advice on the subject.

A) Go for it! It sounds as though you know what you want to do, so do it! With a good vehicle, an auralex room pack, a nice desk and a comfortable chair, you've got a great space already.

B) You're going to need to learn a lot, and invest a decent amount of time and money. The good thing is though, with a good DAW (Reaper, as mentioned, is great), the only real difference between recording one person or a band is a larger interface and more mics. Presonus, I believe, makes some good rack mounted 8 pre interfaces around the $400-$500 range. That will be more than enough to record any surf trio.

C) Zoom audio may work for a while, but I would definitely plan on setting up something better at some point. You can record a trio with 5 mics if you're good, and if you're smart that'll only set you back $600-$700 or less. There are a couple drum miking techniques that use only a kick and sometimes snare mic and two small diaphragm condensers. That and a cheap but large interface, and your audio capabilities are far better than anyone with just a camera could dream of.

D) Might be cool to do video too, and get a nice little following on youtube. Just a thought.

Let me know if you have any specific questions about miking, mics, or recording in general... Hit me up on here or over on facebook.

Good luck, hope this helps! If I'm lucky, this'll bring you down to Austin someday.

IMO.

Also, for the record. SM58/57's will save you a ton of money. They'll do a decent - great job micing most any sound source, and can be found for $70 or so used. Excellent for snares and guitar/bass cabs especially.

IMO.

So a Korg D3200 Multitrack Recording Studio walked into my local guitar store yesterday. No obligations on my part. I don't have to buy it, but if I do, it will save me a fortune compared to getting this amount of capability with new equipment. Paul's pretty experienced at recording, and he's testing all the features on Sunday.

I'm concerned about it's steep learning curve, and hoping it has a quick setup guide or something like default "plug and record" settings. Does or has anyone used one of these?

Has a 200 page owner's manual! RTFM Picard Face Palm

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

Last edited: Jan 16, 2015 15:26:12

That's a great find Noel! Gonna be some learning curve for sure, but that is one sweet piece of equipment.

(For those that don't want someone else's piggy-backed zip "utility" bundled with the download, Google-search "Korg D3200 manual" and take the zzounds link that pops up. Takes you straight to a PDF for download.)

I've got some Neanderthal blood in me so I'd just go to Step 2 Quick Start and begin nugging through it if I had one.
Smile

Wes
SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel

DISCLAIMER: The above is opinion/suggestion only & should not be used for mission planning/navigation, tweaking of instruments, beverage selection, or wardrobe choices.

Last edited: Jan 18, 2015 10:31:53

Related to this topic, one thing I'd really like to do is live stream our gigs online. I know there are sites that will easily accommodate live streaming (like Ustream) but the challenge is getting decent audio and video into the stream.

Has anyone tried this? In an ideal world it would involve using a tablet to act as the 'transmitter'...

This is really terrific! Add a recording console and it's got everything.
http://www.7x7.com/culture/bandwagon-transforms-retro-trailer-mobile-music-venue

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

Noel wrote:

This is really terrific! Add a recording console and it's got everything.
http://www.7x7.com/culture/bandwagon-transforms-retro-trailer-mobile-music-venue

Drool Then you need a very well-restored & maintaind Dodge Powerwagon to haul it. Keep it subtle; white with dual blue stripes down the hood front to back over the cab.
Big Grin

Wes
SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel

DISCLAIMER: The above is opinion/suggestion only & should not be used for mission planning/navigation, tweaking of instruments, beverage selection, or wardrobe choices.

Another "bandwagon"...

Kuk wrote:

Another "bandwagon"...

That's fantastic! Sadly above my budget, though.

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

I bought a Shure SM57 and short mic stand for an amp yesterday, and ordered a Scarlett 2i2 that comes with Ableton Live Lite 8 and Focusrite Red 2 & Red 3 Plug-In Suite software, and a mic cable today. I can get started recording with these.

I can get the Korg D3200 for $200, so it's back under consideration for large-scale projects, as long as everything works. Why? Because it can make almost professional-quality recordings, on-site, in stand-alone mode, that I can transfer to a computer for final post-production, and it's built like a tank. I just have to learn how to use it.

Can someone recommend a good guitar cable splitter? I want to simultaneously route my signal direct to the Scarlett, and also to an amp for live sound.

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

Last edited: Feb 12, 2015 18:51:11

Try the EHX splitter boxes. Simple, solid, and cheap.

Super excited to see this! Everything so far sounds great - I use a focusrite solo and a shure sm58, and they're both awesome.

Look at LDC mics too! Audio Technica's are the best bang for the buck in my opinion, but I mean, there are so many good options on the market right now.

Out of curiosity, how will you do bass?

Super excited! Best of luck.

IMO.

I'm not making complete recordings yet. Just right now, I have to record a lead part on my Bass VI for someone who's making a record. Bass VI into Boss Space Echo (3-head setting) into Fender Stage 112SE with Reverb on 10. Sounds luscious and hard-edged at the same time.

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

Nice! Sounds fun.

IMO.

I bought the 212 based on all the info I read. I haven't had time to do anything with it yet. I plugged it in and know it's operational and that's as far as I went.

PrestonRice wrote:

Nice! Sounds fun.

It is, and thanks for the EHX splitter recommendation.

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

Of course! I'm curious as to what you plan on doing with the direct signal - Reamping?

IMO.

PrestonRice wrote:

Of course! I'm curious as to what you plan on doing with the direct signal - Reamping?

I plan to find the best sounding (for this guitar and song) DAW-based amp I can, and record it along-side the real amp, each on their own channel. Then I'll blend them together in post. If I can, I'll add a recording made at the same time using a room mic, and combine them all. My goal is lots of depth and ambience.

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

Sounds awesome. I'd suggest sending the signal back out through the interface and through a different signal chain for that big sound. DAW based amps can be cool, but little beats a couple of really good amps blended together in a mix.

A little panning helps too.

Excited to see what you come up with! Share your results when you get a chance.

IMO.

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