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i dont want to buy an extension can cause i can just build my own, but id like too build a closed back with an option of open, so i need it to be ported or do i need a tone ring, does it have to be so deep and so wide....thanks for your help

This is how I go about knocking out a 1-15 Katcher Kab. For guitar I make them 11 1/2" deep and for bass 14" or 15" deep. These work really well and I have built them both in closed back and 1/3 area open back.

This will yield a cabinet 19 1/2 x 30"

Head out to Home Depot. Buy a sheet of their "3/4" Sandply. Have the guy rip the 4 x 8 sheet twice. Once at 11 1/2" (cabinet depth for guitar), and then a second time at 17 7/8" (speaker baffle width). Pine is really neat but too hard to keep flat. The sandply does a great job. I built one and only one out of annoying pine. I have enough trouble dealing with my own stupidity to have to put up with raw materials that are giving me a case of the ass. I staple the cabinet together using epoxy or Elmer's cabinet wood glue and a butt joint. To date I've never had a joint failure. As these are home built and not vintage cabs, I have opted to apply the "KISS" principal.

Take the narrow sheet and cut off 2 pieces 18" long. Now cut the long piece in half. Ta Dah, four pieces for the sides.

Now cut off two pieces of the wider panel off to fit inside the box that will measure approximately 19 1/2" wide and 30" long. Allow about 1/8" for the tolex and grill cloth. I cut each piece from an end to ensure a right angle that I use to square the cabinet while the glue is wet.

Put it all together and keep it square, add the internal framing, run around all sides with a 3/8" radius router bit and have fun.

Do remember to run a strip of thin wood around the outside edge of the speaker baffle to keep the grill cloth from vibrating against the baffle and I take time to radius the outside of the speaker hole cutout so that a bump against it would not tear the grill on any sharp edges. I use T-nuts for all speaker screws and epoxy them into the baffle. I also pre drill all holes where the speaker baffle will be screwed into the cabinet and put them at a very shallow angle driving them with an extended bit and my handy battery powered drill.

It's really a lot of fun!

I can shoot pix of them if you are interested.

reverbs!

ed

Traditional........speak softly and play through a big blonde amp. Did I mention that I still like big blonde amps?

Yes Eddie, please post some pics of your cabinets. And thank you for sharing your skills and knowledge with the rest of us.

More cowbell?? Nah...More Reverb!!

wow thanks for taking the time to post all of that i love to see pics if u got them it might help with puting the words into context

You can cut the back into two pieces. One piece 1/3 and the other 2/3rds of the opening. Then you have the option of open back or closed back.

Danny Snyder

"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo

I am now playing trumpet with Prince Buster tribute band 'Balzac'

Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta

Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party

Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF

I think if you make a cab too narrow they can become more directional, especially if it's closed back. The wider they are, the more spread they seem to have.

There are some tone ring cab plans on the web somewhere. I looked into it once, saw the plans and changed my mind. I built an open back cab in a similar vein to Eddie's with an EVM 15" and it sounds great. It can handle huge volumes.

http://thewaterboarders.bandcamp.com/

Here's the bass version (15" deep) that Eddie K made for me over a decade ago. I believe the 19 1/2" x 30" dimensions are based on the early Showman 12 tone ring cabinet, but with a 15" driver sans tone ring. This size is ideal for medium size venues and is way lighter than the Dual Showman cabs we used for big venues and outdoors. The guitar and bass versions of the Katcher 1x15's both sound killer.

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Jack Booth
(aka WoodyJ)

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Last edited: Feb 12, 2015 08:42:46

Here are a few pix of the 1-15 Katcher Guitar cabs. My rig in the studio with the Bandmaster head, a rear view of the 1/3 area open back and Mako's setup with the Showman head.

Construction details in the next post.........

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Traditional........speak softly and play through a big blonde amp. Did I mention that I still like big blonde amps?

Construction of a bass version in progress. Fender logo courtesy of that great guy, WoodyJ.

I hope this is helpful. Have any questions, I will be glad to help.

Reverbs,

ed
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Traditional........speak softly and play through a big blonde amp. Did I mention that I still like big blonde amps?

What a great thread Smile

Eddie, on what does the depth of your bass cabs depend? Is it just somewhere in the ballpark of 14-15", or do you choose the depth depending on the speaker, or particular tonal qualities you'd like to achieve?

Of course it's alive, you cannot make music with dead Muppahones! -- Marvin Suggs

Roy that is a pretty funny thing. I always thought I was building the bass cabinets 14" deep. Woody sez his is 15 and that is probably true because his all time favorite bass cabinet (Ampzilla) is an older Peavy ported two 15 bass cabinet that we recovered blonde with an oxblood grill. It is seriously awesome. That extra inch probably does not make a big difference in my kabinets. I built two of those for Mitch and did a run of those small cabs for Spanky and Trace and I think the other bass cabinets were 14" deep. Now I could be wrong.

The one in the pix I am working on is 14. I just went down and measured it. Laughing

The big issue with bass cabinets is to use a lot of screws mounting the speaker baffle and the back to avoid annoying rattles.

Reverbs!

ed

Traditional........speak softly and play through a big blonde amp. Did I mention that I still like big blonde amps?

eddiekatcher wrote:

The one in the pix I am working on is 14. I just went down and measured it. Laughing

I just measured the one you made for me - 15" deep, same as the Ampzilla 2x15 mega-cab. It's THE best-sounding 1x15 bass cabinet I've ever played through, including the pair of Mesa Powerhouses that I have. The 4 ohm E-V 15BX bass speaker in the Katcher Kab is a big plus, too.

The Dual Showman cab that you recovered for me back in the '90's will soon return to guitar duty. The 15BX's that are in there now will be replaced by a matched pair of D-130F's once I have them reconed. The E-V's will end up in the Mesa cabs. No other bass speakers I've ever played through in the past 42 years of playing bass can match those 15BX's for their tone and anvil-like reliability. Yes

Jack Booth
(aka WoodyJ)

The Mariners (1964-68, 1996-2005)
The Hula Hounds (1996-current)
The X-Rays (1997-2004)
The Surge! (2004, 2011-2012)
Various non-surf bands that actually made money
(1978-1990)

Last edited: Feb 13, 2015 13:16:53

Yep, those compact Kabs have stood the test of time and they do beat lugging Dual Showman cabinets up the stairs at Smiths Olde Bar.

And at least I don't lug a Hammond and two Leslies around any more.

ed Big Grin

Traditional........speak softly and play through a big blonde amp. Did I mention that I still like big blonde amps?

wow thanks everyone for taking the time to write in this thread, was going to buy i can but now reading about what everyones opinion is on dimensions i can do it myself, thanks again! one last thing why wod you use a tone ring or what is its purpose

The tone ring is actually a way to port the cabinet for improving the bass response frequency and efficiency. It wasn't a new idea that Fender came up with. A number of hifi speakers back in the 50's and 60's were ported in a similar manner. It works really well but it does require what is essentially a second speaker baffle and the related bracing to make the system work, and that adds to the speaker cabinet's weight.

Fender finally realized that two speakers were much better than one for several reasons, a couple of which are; amp output power distribution, speaker cone area and reliability (if one speaker fails, the second is there to keep going), and with only one in the circuit the impedance doubles causing the amp to work harder to produce the same wattage as it did driving the two speakers, making it a bit less likely to blow the remaining speaker.

They do look cool, they are the original cabinets for the piggy back series amps, and they do honk. I have a collection of Fender cabs as well as my home brewed ones, and frankly, a good speaker the little 19.5 x 30 x 11.5 open back configuration is pretty amazing. MUCH lighter and easier to move, load and pack than the normal 2-12 cabs, the single or dual Showman cabs.

Of course you could go Neo and that would make them easier to deal with. To date I have not gotten excited by the Neo speakers. I have too many other cool ones lying around to go out into left field. Old fart and set in my ways........ my story and I am sticking with it.

Best Reverbs, and good luck whatever direction you choose.

ed

Traditional........speak softly and play through a big blonde amp. Did I mention that I still like big blonde amps?

what kind of glue do you use for the tolex?

eddiekatcher wrote:

Here are a few pix of the 1-15 Katcher Guitar cabs. My rig in the studio with the Bandmaster head, a rear view of the 1/3 area open back and Mako's setup with the Showman head.

Construction details in the next post.........

ed
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here in the states it's called 'contact cement'. I like the water based, I do 2 coats before sticking it. The solvent based is just too nasty.

Danny Snyder

"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo

I am now playing trumpet with Prince Buster tribute band 'Balzac'

Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta

Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party

Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF

The most "correct" way is to use Hide Glue, but it may be more tricky to work with.
Good luck,

Ran

The Scimitars

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