I'm really interesting in getting my hands on an affordable Jaguar. These 2 new Jags "look" great! Has anyone here played one yet? From the specs, are these period correct? everything where it should be?

both look identical aside from Hot Rod red and Fiesta Red and the relic finish.

Thanks!

Also... if you spend $400 more, you should be able to get one of the Sonic Blue FSR AV'65 Jags, those are amazing guitars. But more importantly, the resale on those will be above the $1400 in a year or so. And nearing $2000 in a decade or so(speculating).

The '60s Lacquer, the resale won't be greater than $999 for a while.

I think maybe he's referring to the one's with the bound necks and block inlays from Japan that came out a couple years ago? They seem to be pretty scarce now.

I recently got an "open box" Johnny Marr Jag for $1400 and it's made in Corona. Great guitar! There should be some more of those still around.

Those new Laquer ones look like they should be great! But Jake is right, the fact that they're MIM will affect their resale value a bit.

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I saw a few of those Sonic Blue FSR AV Jaguars lingering around eBay in the $1500 price range a while back, but they're gone. Currently looking like the cheapest available is pushing $1800. They do look awesome.

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How come the 65 RI's sell for 2400 brand new? I remember not too long ago the 62 RI's sold for like 1600 brand new. I picked my 62 Jag up for 1100 brand new because it was a blemish model (one or two nicks). IS the 65 RI that much better then the 62 RI produced 8-12 years ago?

Near EVERYTHING has gone up at minimum of 20-25% in my line of work over the past 5 years and it keeps. going. UP. FedEx Ground shipping costs have been keeping pace with my parts too. Not much shaving on rent, parts, supplies, insurance and/or shipping anywhere.

The only reason I came back to build was that customers were willing to pay a fair price for the exhaustive work I do and because costs had gone up so much. I had zero personal intentions of coming back. That being said, I will walk away at a moments notice if demand/sales are not there. The constant stress and headaches of dealing with suppliers and the price cost increases is out of control and not worth dealing with if it isn't profitable. If folks only knew...

I say this bc will Fender reach a point where it will just price itself out due to such a steady inflationary environment? I dunno.

The rise in their premium guitar prices seem like there is no end in sight. I don't see a concomitant rise in people's disposable incomes so it's getting interesting.

I do know that CA outlawed some solvents a few years ago so I don't know if that played a part in the pricing of guitars with regard to lacquering and such.

It is my understanding that these new guitars are assembled in Mexico with the USA parts. I thought I had heard someone at NAMM at Fender make mention of this. I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong.

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Thanks for chiming in Dario. I am glad I was one of your FIRST customers when prices where still sane. I guess that was a while back bro. I hope things pick up for you. I agree sometimes shit is just not worth the aggravation in life.

I have been looking on ebay a lot lately. The used market has even went up. I guess I am sitting on some bank with all my dust collecting gear

Thx. I'll stick around so long as there is demand. This year could spell the end of it all as my work facility lease comes due in October. Gut check in June. If it's as slow as it used to be then Gomez Amps pretty much will be a thing of the past. I won't go back after that. It's not a never but you can probably bank on it.

The California series guitars were supposedly REALLY good so great job on getting one.

I didn't even invoke Gibson as I think their business is geared towards a demographic that is either A list or flush with disposable income. Fender seemed to try to cover all bases from the Squiers to the Custom Shop. I'd still buy a Fender guitar over a Gibson though I build my own these days.

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BTW ... the new Custom Series amps are also assembled in Mexico with USA parts.

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JakeDobner wrote:

WaimeaBay wrote:

How come the 65 RI's sell for 2400 brand new?

Labor, R&D, tooling costs.

They went above and beyond with the accuracy some of which has caused the price to make the parts go up. For example, the magnets cost more to source than the AV'62.

I'm guessing the cost of labor has gone up significantly in California since the AV series started.

Also, the binding on the neck costs a lot of money to put on and takes more time for people to setup the guitars because of it.

There may be some increase in costs, but there have been some decrease in costs: oil is lower than I can remember for years. The price of a guitar is not dictated by what it costs to make it. We live in a capitalist society, and the price is determined by what someone is willing to pay. Fender are learning how much people are willing to pay for a quality guitar. Many people believe that the price of a product is dictated by what it costs to make: It costs this much, we add on a bit and sell it for this much. This is incorrect. The price is dictated by its perceived value and how much someone is willing to pay. If they can make it for less than this value, it's a goer. The price will only come down if a competitor makes a product with equal or less perceived value.

Anyway, back to the thread: I've just bought a 60s lacquer JM and it is awesome. Feels like a proper JM compared to my Classic Player (with Elvis Costello pickups). I'll post some pics and a review when I can put the damn thing down.

Here in the UK, the Euro rate is really low. In Europe, guitars sell for the same in Euros as they do in dollars. But with the Euro to GBP rate so good, it's a bargain! It's 150 GBP less than what I paid for the Classic Player.

As far as I can tell there is one difference between the 60s lacquer and the American Vintage: The tremolo unit is non locking. Comes in a fantastic hard case as well. If you like the colour, it's an absolute bargain.

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