ParkRowe
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Posted on Feb 04 2015 10:54 AM
I'm really interesting in getting my hands on an affordable Jaguar. These 2 new Jags "look" great! Has anyone here played one yet? From the specs, are these period correct? everything where it should be?
both look identical aside from Hot Rod red and Fiesta Red and the relic finish.
Thanks!
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JakeDobner
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Seattle
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Posted on Feb 04 2015 11:37 AM
I haven't played one, but the Road Worn has a poly neck, so I would go with the non-relic'd on.
I REALLY want to try one of these out. I don't see any reason why they aren't on part with or better than the AVRI series. Unless something is really low-grade parts... They don't seem to be on spec...
Everything is where it should be!
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JakeDobner
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Posted on Feb 04 2015 11:48 AM
Also... if you spend $400 more, you should be able to get one of the Sonic Blue FSR AV'65 Jags, those are amazing guitars. But more importantly, the resale on those will be above the $1400 in a year or so. And nearing $2000 in a decade or so(speculating).
The '60s Lacquer, the resale won't be greater than $999 for a while.
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ParkRowe
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Posted on Feb 04 2015 12:18 PM
thanks for the info. i can't find the Sonic Blue FSR AV'65 Jags anywhere. do you know where they sell them? also what's different or better about these?
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skeeter
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Posted on Feb 04 2015 12:46 PM
I think maybe he's referring to the one's with the bound necks and block inlays from Japan that came out a couple years ago? They seem to be pretty scarce now.
I recently got an "open box" Johnny Marr Jag for $1400 and it's made in Corona. Great guitar! There should be some more of those still around.
Those new Laquer ones look like they should be great! But Jake is right, the fact that they're MIM will affect their resale value a bit.
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ParkRowe
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Posted on Feb 04 2015 01:00 PM
"fact that they're MIM will affect their resale value a bit. "
yes i'd agree with that.
About the Johnny Marr Jaguar, how are those pick ups for intsro / surf?
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Richard
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Georgia
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Posted on Feb 04 2015 01:10 PM
I saw a few of those Sonic Blue FSR AV Jaguars lingering around eBay in the $1500 price range a while back, but they're gone. Currently looking like the cheapest available is pushing $1800. They do look awesome.
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skeeter
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Posted on Feb 04 2015 01:30 PM
It's not like they'll go down in value or anything, probably just hold their value for a while. They look like they are probably a great value though!
I love the Johnny Marr Jag! The pickups work great for surf for me.
You can still get classic Jag tones, but you also have some extra versatility and tones available with the 4 way switch and the two high pass filters. Also, really love the '65 neck and the locking term bar!
I prefer it now over my '62 AVRI
ParkRowe wrote:
"fact that they're MIM will affect their resale value a bit. "
yes i'd agree with that.
About the Johnny Marr Jaguar, how are those pick ups for intsro / surf?
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WaimeaBay
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Posted on Feb 04 2015 02:02 PM
How come the 65 RI's sell for 2400 brand new? I remember not too long ago the 62 RI's sold for like 1600 brand new. I picked my 62 Jag up for 1100 brand new because it was a blemish model (one or two nicks). IS the 65 RI that much better then the 62 RI produced 8-12 years ago?
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JakeDobner
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Seattle
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Posted on Feb 04 2015 02:20 PM
WaimeaBay wrote:
How come the 65 RI's sell for 2400 brand new?
Labor, R&D, tooling costs.
They went above and beyond with the accuracy some of which has caused the price to make the parts go up. For example, the magnets cost more to source than the AV'62.
I'm guessing the cost of labor has gone up significantly in California since the AV series started.
Also, the binding on the neck costs a lot of money to put on and takes more time for people to setup the guitars because of it.
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D22
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Posted on Feb 04 2015 02:48 PM
Near EVERYTHING has gone up at minimum of 20-25% in my line of work over the past 5 years and it keeps. going. UP. FedEx Ground shipping costs have been keeping pace with my parts too. Not much shaving on rent, parts, supplies, insurance and/or shipping anywhere.
The only reason I came back to build was that customers were willing to pay a fair price for the exhaustive work I do and because costs had gone up so much. I had zero personal intentions of coming back. That being said, I will walk away at a moments notice if demand/sales are not there. The constant stress and headaches of dealing with suppliers and the price cost increases is out of control and not worth dealing with if it isn't profitable. If folks only knew...
I say this bc will Fender reach a point where it will just price itself out due to such a steady inflationary environment? I dunno.
The rise in their premium guitar prices seem like there is no end in sight. I don't see a concomitant rise in people's disposable incomes so it's getting interesting.
I do know that CA outlawed some solvents a few years ago so I don't know if that played a part in the pricing of guitars with regard to lacquering and such.
It is my understanding that these new guitars are assembled in Mexico with the USA parts. I thought I had heard someone at NAMM at Fender make mention of this. I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong.
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ParkRowe
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Posted on Feb 04 2015 04:05 PM
hold everything!!! did you say bound neck?!?!? i just looked up those Sonic Blue FSR AV'65 Jags... beautiful!
i'm coocoo for coco puffs over bound necks! specifically on Fender guitars. add block inlays and i'm over the moon! my Jazzmaster has a bound neck with block inlays and i just love it! a joy to play and looks incredible.
looks like i need to find something to sell to get some funds ready for a Jaguar!
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WaimeaBay
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Posted on Feb 04 2015 07:46 PM
Thanks for chiming in Dario. I am glad I was one of your FIRST customers when prices where still sane. I guess that was a while back bro. I hope things pick up for you. I agree sometimes shit is just not worth the aggravation in life.
I have been looking on ebay a lot lately. The used market has even went up. I guess I am sitting on some bank with all my dust collecting gear
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WaimeaBay
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Posted on Feb 04 2015 07:50 PM
And also to comment of you US parts being assembled in Mexico, Fender has done that before. I had a "California Series" Telecaster that was assembled in Mexico but had "Made in the America" stamped on it. This was way back when. Times are tight, the pressure is high. I am glad I got my gear a while back. It's freaking over 2k for a Les Paul Standard now. C'mon with this shit already.
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D22
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Posted on Feb 04 2015 09:19 PM
Thx. I'll stick around so long as there is demand. This year could spell the end of it all as my work facility lease comes due in October. Gut check in June. If it's as slow as it used to be then Gomez Amps pretty much will be a thing of the past. I won't go back after that. It's not a never but you can probably bank on it.
The California series guitars were supposedly REALLY good so great job on getting one.
I didn't even invoke Gibson as I think their business is geared towards a demographic that is either A list or flush with disposable income. Fender seemed to try to cover all bases from the Squiers to the Custom Shop. I'd still buy a Fender guitar over a Gibson though I build my own these days.
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Emilien03
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Posted on Feb 04 2015 09:34 PM
I also want to try one of these guitars, but maybe I can get an used AVRI '62 for the same price. Here in Mexico they are asking 1K for them.
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Emilien03
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Posted on Feb 04 2015 09:37 PM
BTW ... the new Custom Series amps are also assembled in Mexico with USA parts.
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D22
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Posted on Feb 04 2015 10:16 PM
Emilien03 wrote:
BTW ... the new Custom Series amps are also assembled in Mexico with USA parts.
Yup, there's a reason prices on them are so low. Making their own cabinets is a huge plus.
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da-ron
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Posted on Feb 05 2015 02:19 AM
JakeDobner wrote:
WaimeaBay wrote:
How come the 65 RI's sell for 2400 brand new?
Labor, R&D, tooling costs.
They went above and beyond with the accuracy some of which has caused the price to make the parts go up. For example, the magnets cost more to source than the AV'62.
I'm guessing the cost of labor has gone up significantly in California since the AV series started.
Also, the binding on the neck costs a lot of money to put on and takes more time for people to setup the guitars because of it.
There may be some increase in costs, but there have been some decrease in costs: oil is lower than I can remember for years. The price of a guitar is not dictated by what it costs to make it. We live in a capitalist society, and the price is determined by what someone is willing to pay. Fender are learning how much people are willing to pay for a quality guitar. Many people believe that the price of a product is dictated by what it costs to make: It costs this much, we add on a bit and sell it for this much. This is incorrect. The price is dictated by its perceived value and how much someone is willing to pay. If they can make it for less than this value, it's a goer. The price will only come down if a competitor makes a product with equal or less perceived value.
Anyway, back to the thread: I've just bought a 60s lacquer JM and it is awesome. Feels like a proper JM compared to my Classic Player (with Elvis Costello pickups). I'll post some pics and a review when I can put the damn thing down.
Here in the UK, the Euro rate is really low. In Europe, guitars sell for the same in Euros as they do in dollars. But with the Euro to GBP rate so good, it's a bargain! It's 150 GBP less than what I paid for the Classic Player.
As far as I can tell there is one difference between the 60s lacquer and the American Vintage: The tremolo unit is non locking. Comes in a fantastic hard case as well. If you like the colour, it's an absolute bargain.
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djangodeadman
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Posted on Feb 05 2015 02:43 AM
da-ron wrote:
Anyway, back to the thread: I've just bought a 60s lacquer JM and it is awesome. Feels like a proper JM compared to my Classic Player (with Elvis Costello pickups). I'll post some pics and a review when I can put the damn thing down.
Here in the UK, the Euro rate is really low. In Europe, guitars sell for the same in Euros as they do in dollars. But with the Euro to GBP rate so good, it's a bargain! It's 150 GBP less than what I paid for the Classic Player.
As far as I can tell there is one difference between the 60s lacquer and the American Vintage: The tremolo unit is non locking. Comes in a fantastic hard case as well. If you like the colour, it's an absolute bargain.
Can't wait to see and hear it.
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