Badger wrote:

The shootout was in the Gear forum; it's about gear. Some people enjoy that aspect, some less so while they focus on other things. I doubt that either one taking a position of disdain toward the other is good for the digestion.

That isn't my point. I probably own the most posts made in the gear forum. And I think the reverb shoot out was a good thread.

This thread, and my comments, were just something to think about. Just reminding people, from my mistakes, that the focus shouldn't be on tweaking every cap/pot/tank/tube in a device. Or buying every device possible. My point is, get out there and do something with it even if it isn't perfect.

I loved that thread!!!...taught me more in one night about those products than years of reading all of the opinions. I surf with the gear I'm blessed enough to have at the moment and spend nearly every day dreaming of gear I'd love to own.
Not sure how there's too much of that going on here, but we could all probably be using our time better in one way or another.

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SanchoPansen wrote:

So, I have to apologize for the shootout now?
Jake, although I can not imagine that you mean it that way, but this comes as a direct offense against me and I do take it personal up to a certain point

Absolutely not, it is a great thread as I also mention in a later post in this thread. This thread is a response to the Surfy Bear thread, lots of talk about the Flint recently, and the Reverb shootout.

Within the Reverb shootout, you presented the samples in a fantastic manner. Really easy to get a sense of what things sounded like as you gave five different types of playing played accurately each time. But people didn't guess well... And then they started talking about modifying things, buying other units, etc...

The point of this thread is to remind people to create music, to get out there and play. I say this, because I am guilty of overthinking reverb, guitars, amps, recording, etc... I could have been writing a song instead.

But you should not take offense, and you should not take personal offense. And you shouldn't have to apologize for it, the board is a better place for it. We just need to be careful!

Ivan--we looked at DD's rig and he had a Boss FRV-1 pedal. He had no Fender outboard tank. Maybe the pedal was a stand-in, maybe not. All I know is that in Memphis in 2013 and Pensacola in 2014 there was no Fender tank. We saw his amp heads and his wireless setup and the pedal. I was disappointed when we didn't see the Fender reverb tank; I wanted my wife to see one. I do not want to argue with you about it, your knowledge of surf far exceeds mine but I know what I saw on two instances.

Enjoying the surf,sun and sand!!

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I'm just glad I found the surfy bear. I have a little over 120.00 in it. Quite a breakthrough for me and many others in the future. It's dripping its way through my latest recording. Enjoy it on stage and practice. The blind test proved its contribution to surf. I'll post my latest song soon because the music is all that matters.

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A majority of us got into the surf guitar world via the First Wave tunes. With all that legendary music made in the golden past, it is easy to see that many of us young'uns are striving for that sense of authenticity. All those times we hear/read "yeah, those reissues don't hold a candle to the originals" it feeds the GAS/OCD.
Doing your own thing with the best tools available and intent is going to provide one's own authenticity - in the privacy of one's home or in front of numerous audience members or on a recording. When I was playing a gig on Saturday night, I wasn't obsessing that my RI reverb wasn't 'authentically' spec'ed and period-correct. I was more focused on the job and the fun at hand.
Hopping onto SG101's Gear section of the forum on my free evenings rekindles that intrigue about what made tunes like Baja sound so wonderful. I, for one, do not think that intense intrigue about reverb is unhealthy unless it detracts from actual guitar playing. If people want to chase down $2,000 original reverbs or switch pans in their RI or build a Surfy Bear, or using a Topanga or an FRV-1 and that makes them happy, all the power to 'em.

This is special music to a lot of people and I completely understand when people are drawn into the minutiae of something so integral to surf music as an outboard reverb unit. But it is so cool when I watch Youtube clips or learn about folks who - despite not having all the period-correct gear - are rockin' and surfin' and having a ball.

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Jake, I totally agree with you to an extent and want to add. Years ago I sold my Eventide pedals because I spent more time tweaking knobs than actually playing. I still wanted reverb but without feeling like I'm at work on a computer, so I bought a Texotica unit and found this forum in the process. Reading the opinions here and youtube demos have been invaluable for me. Duncanjames' Tahitian demo was the reason I ordered mine. And in turn, while I couldn't find many demos for the other amps/gear I had piled up I felt like returning the favor and making a few demos (while not the best) that may/may not help people in their decision. Some may like em, some not. But at least they're available. I think the best part about making the shootout was that (especially as a sticky) there will be many newcomers that can find their answers there when looking for that "first" reverb unit. Although the settings for the G-Spring were way different than what I would use, it's a good starting point for people just getting into this and thinking "which reverb should I buy?" Did I go change my G-Spring settings after the video? No. Am I looking for a new pan? Nope. I love how it sounds and have no desire to experiment. I did that when my first one arrived. And I won't be ordering a Flint either. But I still gotta say hats-off to Sancho for putting the time in to make the demo. And for helping to answer these initial questions for people trying not to break the bank on their first purchase, or learn through expensive trial and error like some of us have. YES listening through a laptop is not an accurate representation and you can't hold Sancho accountable if your tone doesn't sound exactly the same as the video did. But it gives a bit of a reference point that may not have been available before. Maybe it doesn't bug me as much because I've been on TGP when a new Strymon pedal is unveiled. But I don't go back to read through the 267 pages of posts anymore either. I'm sure there will still be many "Hi, I'm new here and wondering which reverb to get" posts. But at least there is another resource available. But as far as playing more, learning better technique and spending less time tweaking.. I couldn't agree with you more.
Chris

SanchoPansen wrote:

Gibson Trini Lopez and a SF Twin which I loved and I kept playing this setup for more than 10 years.

Tell me you still own the Trini! I have an ES-355, which is just amazing.

My reverb isn't perfect.
My amp isn't perfect.
My guitar isn't perfect.
My playing isn't perfect.
My writing isn't perfect.

I'm ok with these things.

Even if by some crazy gear miracle I can achieve the first three (Our Lady of Reverb, pray for us!), it is the last two that are impossible, but are impossible in a good way. It is the last two I would focus on, and strive for, so I am in agreement with Jake on this.

Now if I could get the writing/playing bug again...

I don't understand any of this. Just get a tank. Boom. Done.;)

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