I was listening to Surf Rider on Saturday, trying to work the bass line out. It basically sounds like the bass just follows the rhythm guitar, both notewise and rhythm wise.

So in that part where the lead guitarist outlines the chords, and the progression is Am chord for 2 bars, F maj chord for 2 bars, E maj chord for 2 bars and then Am chord for 2 bars, the bass basically plays A for 2 bars, then F for 2 bars, then E for 2 bars and then back to A for 2 bars.........

Am I right ?

We just learned the song, and the bass line is indeed very busy. Our bass player has it down, but I'm not really sure on what he is playing, other than I was really impressed/surprised with the bass line.

Rev

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pineapplegeoff_
What's a 3rd and 5th run by the way................................?

Over the Am chord, the third would be C and the fifth is E, so a chromatic run from the third to the fifth might look something like this:

A:------3-5-6-7-  
E:-(5)----------

-Warren

That was excessively violent and completely unnecessary. I loved it.

LOL!

first wave bass stuff usually is simple, if you get rootnotes, 1st- low 5th and chordnote runs down, you got 90% covered. having a good feel for rhythm is of the essence though!

the lively ones are an exception, crazy bassplaying throughout. one of the reasons I dig 'em so much.

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i will post this over in video also, but check out Jim Masonor playing the guitar lead for "Surf Rider":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JSWjIQnAnA

you can catch a glimpse of Ron Griffith (at least, I think that's Ron???) playing bass near the end of the clip...

dp
i will post this over in video also, but check out Jim Masonor playing the guitar lead for "Surf Rider":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JSWjIQnAnA

you can catch a glimpse of Ron Griffith (at least, I think that's Ron???) playing bass near the end of the clip...

P.S. I checked it out. He certainly looks busy !

Cool ! Thanks for all the information.

It's been really helpful.

PG

sorry, I missed all this being away from the pc for a while

what I meant was that you're pretty much covered with either rootnotes, alternating between root and low 5th (A - E - A - E ; D - A - D - A etc)and chrod note patterns ( e.g. A - C - E(above, not under A) - C - on Am, D - F# - A - F# on D, etc)

with the chromatic runs I meant he seems to be playing chromatic between the 3 and 5, or rather, he's throwing in a flat 5th, something like: (no rhythm implied though, and I only think he's playing something along these lines)

Am               F               E  
------------------------------------------------------------------------  
 ------0-1-2-----------------------------------------------------------  
0-3----------------0-1-2-3--------------0-1-2-------------------------  
-----------------1----------------0---4----------------------------------

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"When in Italy, if the menu says something's grilled, don't assume it is."

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revhank
The Lively Ones' version of the Ventures tune is credited to Nokie Edwards, so they really didn't claim it as their own. I believe the Ventures released that tune as "Surf Rider" on the SURFING lp.

If I'm not mistaken, "Surf Rider" appeared first on the Mashed Potatoes & Gravy LP under the name "Spudnik." According to the liner notes of a Ventures best-of, the Lively Ones had to be sued since they (or someone at their label) claimed writing credit when they released their own version of the tune.

-Warren

That was excessively violent and completely unnecessary. I loved it.

WR
sorry, I missed all this being away from the pc for a while

what I meant was that you're pretty much covered with either rootnotes, alternating between root and low 5th (A - E - A - E ; D - A - D - A etc)and chrod note patterns ( e.g. A - C - E(above, not under A) - C - on Am, D - F# - A - F# on D, etc)

with the chromatic runs I meant he seems to be playing chromatic between the 3 and 5, or rather, he's throwing in a flat 5th, something like: (no rhythm implied though, and I only think he's playing something along these lines)

Am               F               E  
------------------------------------------------------------------------  
 ------0-1-2-----------------------------------------------------------  
0-3----------------0-1-2-3--------------0-1-2-------------------------  
-----------------1----------------0---4----------------------------------

OK, so I listened to “Surf Rider” again on the weekend (both Lively Ones and Ventures versions) but with all those other instruments going (and trying to do it on my lap top) I can’t really hear what he’s doing (though I can certainly hear the rhythm).

Can you tell me another classic surf track that is an example of this sort of bass playing ? I might go and have a listen.

PG

P.S. Personally, I prefer the Ventures version too, but simply for aesthetic reasons – I like the straight guitar sound, no sax.