Noel
Joined: Mar 15, 2011
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Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.
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Posted on Feb 20 2014 05:20 PM
Thanks, everyone. I feel like I'm more like the care-taker of this amazing amp than its' owner. My playing hardly does it justice, but I let competent guitarists who come over play it, and when they do I get to hear it make beautiful music.
I started out curious where this design fits into the various generations of Fender Twin Reverbs. I kinda got side-tracked by the tube-pulling conversation.
Lastly, thanks Dario, for everything! If I could afford your gear, I'd own your gear. Then I'd let people play it so it could make beautiful music, too.
— This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.
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D22
Joined: Apr 20, 2006
Posts: 2054
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Posted on Feb 20 2014 05:38 PM
Good luck and no worries Noel. Thanks for the kind sentiments.
Now go play your gear!!!
:o)
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Noel
Joined: Mar 15, 2011
Posts: 8528
Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.
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Posted on Feb 20 2014 05:46 PM
DGG wrote:
Good luck and no worries Noel. Thanks for the kind sentiments.
Now go play your gear!!!
:o)
You're very welcome, Dario. And, I've actually been doing that all day. I was only online today to give my hands and fingers a break. See how much trouble I cause when I stop playing guitar? 
— This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.
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Hammond101
Joined: Feb 22, 2013
Posts: 342
SoCal USA
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Posted on Feb 21 2014 12:40 PM
Noel, I owned an HD 4-10 One Thirty for many years. I used it mainly on stage so I didn't need to pull power tubes etc. to quite the beast. When needed, I used the master volume to tame it. I would crank the preamp and back off the master and it worked quite well. To me, the amp sounded much better on high power with the master turned down than on low power with the master turned up. The master on these is much more effective than on a SF Twin.
Reports above of the single 12AX7 being the "phase inverter" are correct.
Back then I used a midi controller in my rig with a rack setup for FX. I had a box in the rack called a midi octopus that I used to change channels of output. One output of the pre went to the verb channel and one to the normal channel. I had the channels set for more volume/gain on one channel for leads etc. It worked very well with this amp and the '67 Pro Reverb I also used at the time.
As I remember the pair of speakers in the 2-12 amps render an 8 ohm load so the 8 ohm selection may be correct. If you plug in another 8 ohm cab to the ext. jack switch to 4 ohms. As mentioned above, pull out the speaker jack and measure the static resistance between the tip and sleeve of the plug at the end of the speaker cable to confirm.
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Hammond101
Joined: Feb 22, 2013
Posts: 342
SoCal USA
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Posted on Feb 21 2014 12:43 PM
One other thing, the amp ran hot! You could fry an egg on the thing by the end of the night. Those 4 EL34s were like a furnace. Never let me down however. I don't think I ever pulled the chassis out of the cab!
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Noel
Joined: Mar 15, 2011
Posts: 8528
Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.
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Posted on Feb 21 2014 01:26 PM
Thanks Hammond101, for your comments from back when you actually performed with one. I really appreciate info like this. I noticed right away how hot this amp runs. I keep it on wheels again so I can easily move it away from everything in back, to let it get more air circulation.
Based on your comments, I'll experiment with the High-power setting and Master Vol. again. But that sort of thing requires an empty house.
— This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.
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da-ron
Joined: Jan 02, 2009
Posts: 1307
The original Plymouth, UK.
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Posted on Feb 21 2014 01:29 PM
^ Just turn it up and start playing. House will empty pretty quick....
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Noel
Joined: Mar 15, 2011
Posts: 8528
Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.
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Posted on Oct 07 2014 08:49 PM
Has anyone seen this? They say they're making new Music Man amps! Wow!
— This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.
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da-ron
Joined: Jan 02, 2009
Posts: 1307
The original Plymouth, UK.
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Posted on Oct 08 2014 02:09 AM
Wow, indeed. Made in Italy as well. Sadly no 1 x 15's though, which is my amp of choice. Used amps seem to have dried up in the UK.
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Noel
Joined: Mar 15, 2011
Posts: 8528
Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.
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Posted on Oct 08 2014 06:42 AM
da-ron wrote:
Wow, indeed. Made in Italy as well. Sadly no 1 x 15's though, which is my amp of choice. Used amps seem to have dried up in the UK.
Did you check out the weights? I was only able to take out my own Music Man 212-130HD on Saturday because my son could haul it down two flights of stairs, put it in the van, take it into the venue, and then reverse the whole process when we finished. But I could move these new ones myself!
— This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.
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JObeast
Joined: Jul 24, 2012
Posts: 2762
Finknabad, Squinkistan
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Posted on Dec 08 2014 10:51 AM
Anyone willing to comment on the characteristics of Music Man amps' tremolo? My first amp was a MM 112 65 and the tremolo had a great Univibe-like thing going on when maxed. Anyone compare this sound to the Brownface Fender tremolo?
I am thinking about getting a Music Man amp that features this effect. Maybe I can get the amp back from my nephew!
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IvanP
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 10331
southern Michigan
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Posted on Dec 08 2014 11:08 AM
Patrick of the Madeira bought a MM 112 65 from Matt "Da Kat" Lentz here on SG101 a couple of years ago, and has been using it for Madeira practices since then. He's been using the trem on one new song, and every time he does, I'm blown away by how good it sounds. You're right, I think it sounds quite similar to the Harmonic Vibrato on brownface piggybacks, it sounds like there's some pitch modulation going on as well as volume. It's just a damn good amp all around, truly fantastic tone. Good luck getting the amp back!
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LeeVanCleef
Joined: Oct 05, 2011
Posts: 744
France
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Posted on Dec 08 2014 02:15 PM
I found the following information, from the MM 212-65 manual:
"INTENSITY The tremolo intensity control provides a double function. At settings from zero to five modulation varies from zero to 100% respectively. At settings above five a second modulation pulse is added giving a Doppler effect that simulates a rotating speaker.
SPEED The speed control determines the rate at which tremolo occurs. It is an extremely wide range control and produces some unusual effects."
The Brownface-style harmonic tremolo works differently. It splits the signal, sending the highs and the lows through 2 similar tremolo circuits that are out of phase, so that when the highs are at full volume, the lows are muted, and vice versa.
There is a lot of interesting information on the (unfortunately now inactive) Music Man Amps Discussion Forum.
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JObeast
Joined: Jul 24, 2012
Posts: 2762
Finknabad, Squinkistan
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Posted on Dec 08 2014 02:28 PM
Lee,
Thanks for digging up that explanation of the dual function Music Man Tremolo – mystery solved! Now I have to go out and get that amp back or get another one. A guy on cl here in LA says he wants to trade/sell his HD130 head. I wrote him but so far have no response. Now I'm gonna call him to light a fire under him.
— Squink Out!
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toddr513
Joined: Dec 30, 2013
Posts: 245
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Posted on Dec 09 2014 09:25 PM
hey i have a mm 65 410 and i reverb is kinda weak on it, tryed swaping a mod tank instead of the accutronics and not much of a differnece...im sure it needs new tubes and a good servicing....so my question is, is the reverb more lush with the 130 compared to the 65s or do i just need to get it serviced...seems like any new amp i get the reverb always needs fixin im sure my tech is laughing cause everytime i bring a new amp in he knows im going to say the reverb doent sound right, got to have the healthy reverb
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ArabSpringReverb
Joined: Jul 13, 2012
Posts: 490
San Diego CA
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Posted on Dec 10 2014 08:49 AM
todd ,sounds like it just needs servicing.....I got mt HD130 2:12 back from the shop after some new tubes and it sounds amazing ..the reverb is splashier than I remembered and the tremolo is crazy,really does add a secondary pulse which is quite different from a standard fender type ...I am really glad I didnt trade mine ( actually did swap for a while). Mine has a low serial # ...558!
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toddr513
Joined: Dec 30, 2013
Posts: 245
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Posted on Dec 10 2014 10:47 AM
ok thanks, how much did a good servicing cost you, i also heard the plate voltage is super hi on theseamps and my tech said it would be about 250 bucks, seems expensive...or is that a normal price
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toddr513
Joined: Dec 30, 2013
Posts: 245
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Posted on Dec 10 2014 10:49 AM
also my tremolo works its weak but works, and when i turn it on i get a radio station that comes through my speakers
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