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I'm 46, picked up my first guitar 28 years ago, never been good but always chased guitars that were either expensive or visually pleasing. I just picked up a an arctic white Mexican Strat (not my favorite color..) at GC and could not believe how good the neck felt. I made a similar discovery years ago with a Epi Casino and balked due to the non-Gibson branding. Never again. Anyone else lucky / blessed enough to have the funds but unlucky enough to struggle for every ounce of musicianship ( I say that very lightly based on how good a lot of the contributors are here) come to the same conclusion?

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I'm kind of the opposite, always trying to save funds by getting an Epiphone or lowered end Fender which just left me on the continual search. Recently about six months ago I was looking for a 335. Tried out various Epiphone 335's even owned three '56 goldtop w/p90 Epiphone's which were good guitars but I sold them all because I'd swap pickups, etc only to still be left unsatisfied - chasing a tone which just was not there. Then a few months ago I purchased a Gibson 335 (Warren Haynes) model and for me there's no craftsmanship/feel/responsiveness compression, the Gibson is worlds better than any Epiphone I played and worth the expense. The Epiphone's I've played/owned left me continuing to search, where the Gibson is inspiring. Same goes with one of the new Fender '52 Pure/American vintage telecasters I have - just worlds above anything else (this was actually a gift from my father in-law). I also have a handbuild stratocaster (modled after a '56 Fender strat) and it too is great to play. That being said my daughter has a $150 Fender Squire that plays real nice. There's certainly good guitars in all price ranges the key is to find the ones that inspire you to play. For me I knew if I got an Epiphone 335 I'd always be wondering what the Gibson would be like, now that I have a Gibson I never wonder what an Epiphone would be like Smile

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The 90s/early 2000s were not a great time for the cheap/budget brands. Even the big brands had some serious quality issues.

The pieces on guitars just fit so much better now.

I've kind of happened into really expensive guitars, but I'd have no problem only owning one of those Epiphone Casinos and a couple each of modded Japanese Jags/Jazzmasters.

guyguy wrote:

Anyone else lucky / blessed enough to have the funds...

Oops, that leaves me out.

...but unlucky enough to struggle for every ounce of musicianship ( I say that very lightly based on how good a lot of the contributors are here) come to the same conclusion?

OK, I can identify with that part. Might be fortunate I tend to bond with an electric guitar playing it acoustically and bought a Mexican Strat based on the neck & general feel and it resonated with me. Fixing the pickup situation & heavier strings didn't change that & I love it as much as a superb '62 reissue I had a few decades ago. Amps are a different deal so I have simply decided that I will continue to save pennies to be in a position to "pull the trigger" when it comes along, or to have it built by Dario or Allen or someone. (I've recently heard what I want so I know it can happen on this planet.)

Back in the southern rock/blues bar-band days overdrive & bends & what-not could cover for lack of craft & still get paid. Nothing has improved my playing like returning to instrumental surf rock - so I practice, while the coffee can in the gunsafe gets a little fuller each week for "that amp" when it's time. The amp gurus here keep educating me & I'm grateful for that.

Funny though, reading what Derek and Jake said, the other happy anomaly is a Squier VM Jazzmaster that is an awesome guitar after a $25 bridge swap and a proper setup; go figure. So I'm trying to focus on the playing part. Otherwise I'll keep thinking about that '60 Strat I played the other day whose scientific name is Unobtainium. I played that & said, "ahh, I understand now." But it was that guitar only, not all guitars. Some speak to you, others not so much I suppose.

Flashback: Looks like 28 yrs ago was a Taco Tuesday as well; probably still nursing a sore back after hauling the TR around & up & down the flatbed at the Harley dealer's customer appreciation weekend...
Smile

Wes
SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel

DISCLAIMER: The above is opinion/suggestion only & should not be used for mission planning/navigation, tweaking of instruments, beverage selection, or wardrobe choices.

Badger wrote:

Otherwise I'll keep thinking about that '60 Strat I played the other day whose scientific name is Unobtainium. I played that & said, "ahh, I understand now." But it was that guitar only, not all guitars. Some speak to you, others not so much I suppose.

I was thinking about this on the weekend, the neck has long been the thing I desire about vintage guitars. I can just grab it and know if I will like it or not. I need to make a post about the neck shape on my '59 and my '60 compared to modern Fender necks. Modern Fender necks taper, these two don't really do that.

And we definitely get attached to guitars for different reasons. My AVRI Jag that has a poly Burgundy Mist sprayed somewhat poorly ON TOP of the original Fiesta Red. If you ask me if you can have that guitar, I'm going to say "About as much as you can have my '59 or '60 Jazzmasters". I care that much about that guitar, and for what?

I've become very in tune with a guitars characteristics these past several years, really focusing on how guitars feel and not as much how they sound.

Some things I've learned through owning and working on some extraordinary guitars over quite a few years, summed up in a few phrases that I end up repeating to my customers often:

"The neck is the heart and soul of the instrument" - if it feel "right" to you the rest falls into line much easier

"Keep you ears and minds open" - Each and every individual guitar is different in it's own ways. Some, no matter how expensive or affordable or what brand is on it are great, others.....not so much

And last but certainly not least as well as relating to the above statement-

"Stay away from absolutes in describing guitars and especially beware of people who use absolutes" - You've heard it before, ALL brand X guitars do this or don't do that, ALL Jags don't sound good for...., This or that pedal is unusable..........it goes on and on and I've found that folks who think that way usually have an exceptionally myopic vantage point as well as limited experience.

Instruments and amps and music making tools are so personal. We want to put concepts regarding these things into neat little boxes so that we might narrow down choices, make selections easier or even justifiable but it seems to me that the truth in the end is "what works for you works for you"

and, that's my 2 cents, FWIW

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Well said, Jeff. You really put the topic in the proper perspective.

More cowbell?? Nah...More Reverb!!

CrashHardtop wrote:

Well said, Jeff. You really put the topic in the proper perspective.

He was like a Masterbuilt Strat through a Klon Centaur. Creamy and smooth.

JakeDobner wrote:

CrashHardtop wrote:

Well said, Jeff. You really put the topic in the proper perspective.

He was like a Masterbuilt Strat through a Klon Centaur. Creamy and smooth.

It must be my organic coffee

And don't forget the NOS cap and boutique guitar cable Jake, and while we're at it let's make sure that's an original Klon, not a clone.

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CrazyAces wrote:

It must be my organic coffee

Move to Seattle, you dirty hippy.

JakeDobner wrote:

CrazyAces wrote:

It must be my organic coffee

Move to Seattle, you dirty hippy.

Stephanie Lollar has been tempting us with their old place on Vashon Island.....Very tempting!

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http://www.youtube.com/user/crazyacesrock
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Vashon is amazing!

JakeDobner wrote:

Vashon is amazing!

And their place is beautiful, bucolic. Nice but small house (perfect for us) ample shop space outbuildings..........
Seattle and Tacoma across the water
No CMA fest.......LOL.

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http://www.youtube.com/user/crazyacesrock
http://www.reverbnation.com/crazyacesmusic

Apologies for getting so off topic! LOL

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http://www.youtube.com/user/crazyacesrock
http://www.reverbnation.com/crazyacesmusic

CrazyAces wrote:

And their place is beautiful, bucolic. Nice but small house (perfect for us) ample shop space outbuildings..........
Seattle and Tacoma across the water

And the weather isn't oppressively hot and it doesn't get too cold in the winter...

CrazyAces wrote:

Apologies for getting so off topic! LOL

We need a coffee thread. Big Grin

Wes
SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel

DISCLAIMER: The above is opinion/suggestion only & should not be used for mission planning/navigation, tweaking of instruments, beverage selection, or wardrobe choices.

Great points all, I really can't believe I kept and to some point keep falling for the "if it's more expensive, it's better" mentality. If I spent as much time playing the guitar as I do looking at them I'd be a lot better off!

I bought a used Squier Affinity Tele, soley based on how comfortable and playable the neck is. Being that it was used, it's possible the neck had had some work by a previous owner. The pickups are the only (slight) drawback. The bridge pickup tends to get a bit too much on the "tinny" side, when playing in the high ranges. I still plug it in, fairly regularly 'cause it's a rather fun one to jam on, and I'll eventually get around to changing the pickups...once I ever decide what replacements to go for.

Fast Cars & Loud Guitars!

My affair with less expensive guitars began with an Epi Dot Deluxe. I had sold my Gibby ES-137 when times were much tougher back in '09-'10 and needed a semi-hollow for the blues project I was working in.

It needed set up work and some frets leveled and crowned but I do that sort of work. The pickups kind of sucked so it got a set Parsons Street alnico 5s from StuMac. In total I have about $400 in the guitar including an SKB hard case plus my time. It sounds and plays better than some 335s I've worked on in the shop.

I then entered the Squier arena with a VM Jag and Bass VI. Both again needed fret work but for the money spent they are great values.

I still enjoy my remaining Gibsons, Am & Am Deluxe Fenders and Taylor acoustic, very much so. The value in the entry level and mid range guitars today is very real and I see it quite clearly.

Keep it Drippy Brothers and Sisters!

Best buy I ever made was my 65 JM, cost me 200 bucks and had a new neck with no decal, but it was the first "real" guitar I'd ever bought after a couple of years of Tiescos, I spent hours in the music store, but finally decided that a Fender that I'd never heard of (it was 1985 or so) but that I loved the sound of was better than any Ibanez clone I could afford.
I didn't know anything about surf music back then, other than that I'd loved it for about 10 years. I actually bought the guitar because it was the closest I could get to REM and the surf instrumentals that I liked in one guitar. I still remember playing "Driver 8" and "Pipeline" before deciding to take it(I'd actually gone to the store looking for a sunburst strat clone).
It took the internet, and sites like this, to explain to me what single coil pickups and Fender guitars were all about. (not to mention explaining the rythym switch)
I wish I had my semi-hollow body Tiesco still (got sold by her brother when the girl I left it with broke up with me)
After all that, I have to say, I played an Epi Dot about six months ago and was amazed at how great it felt. I think that in 15 or so years, those guitars ) as well as Squier tele semihollows and Epi wilkats - are the inexpensive guitars collectors are going to treasure.)

"We're lousy, we can't play. If you wait until you can play, you'll be too old to get up there. We stink, really. But it's great," Johnny Ramone .

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