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PrestonRice wrote:

Nice!

I've switched over to the drums as my main instrument for now, they are just so much fun, lol.

So, what's happened to the Jaguar project?

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

No comment. Big Grin

We've packed up most of our stuff, including my projects. So that's that, for now... Promise it'll be done someday. Wink

IMO.

Last edited: May 10, 2014 08:58:20

There was a Jaguar project? wink, wink

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You guys are meeeeeean. Big Grin

IMO.

hey preston!! where ya been?? drums?? hell yes!!

does a body good to have something to beat the snot out of!!

gimme a holler, i got all involved with moving to the gulf, i seem to have misplaced my contact list!! Duh

Enjoying the surf,sun and sand!!

Last edited: May 10, 2014 14:34:07

Done! Good to hear from you again.

IMO.

tubeswell wrote:

Speaking of subjective drumming thoughts - what do drummers think about when they are drumming?

1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4...

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PolloGuitar wrote:

tubeswell wrote:

Speaking of subjective drumming thoughts - what do drummers think about when they are drumming?

1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4...

1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7, repeat, etc...

IMO.

Drums! Anyone have tips on developing a good drum roll? I'm getting there, but it's slow.

Here's how my cymbal setup is looking now. I've recently simplified, playing only my hats and a ride... But they're all so beautiful.

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IMO.

What drum roll are you working on? Press roll, single stroke, double stroke,etc.

Press roll - It's coming along okay. Still accenting more than I'd like to.

Jeff - From what I hear, the guy who bought those hats at the Nashville guitar center ended up selling them to Gerry at Hazelshould. So I just bought them. Wink

So those hats that I didn't get are now coming to me. Bit of an impulse buy, but I'm only 15 once. Big Grin

IMO.

PrestonRice wrote:

Press roll - It's coming along okay. Still accenting more than I'd like to.

Jeff - From what I hear, the guy who bought those hats at the Nashville guitar center ended up selling them to Gerry at Hazelshould. So I just bought them. Wink

So those hats that I didn't get are now coming to me. Bit of an impulse buy, but I'm only 15 once. Big Grin

Cool!
Let us know what they sound like when you get them.
I sold our previous practice kit to a very good old friend who has never played (he's a bass and guitar player) so we're exchanging videos of our drumming progress but since I've had very little time to put into it over the last few months I still suck, LOL.

Press Roll..........I don't even know what that is!

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You'll get better! Drumming is one of the few instruments that is easy to practice even if you don't have the instrument with you. Mental practice is very useful as well, believe it or not.

IMO.

Thanks Preston.
I just got brushes this morning.
Fun!

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CrazyAces wrote:

Thanks Preston.
I just got brushes this morning.
Fun!

VERY fun! Benny Greb's band does a cool song in which Greb uses brushes extremely well.

IMO.

The press roll or multiple bounce roll is one of the more difficult rolls to learn as I've been working on it for over 58 years. On Vic Firths' drum stick site, Dr. John Wooton does and excellent job of explaining and demonstrating the roll. Additionally the other 39 rudiments are demonstrated, if you want to add more to your vocabulary. On brushes, Ed Thigpen and Clayton Cameron are masters-YouTube. Hope that helps and have fun.

Sounds like really good viewing drumfun, especially for a guitar player trying to play drums, like me.
Thanks for sharing that.

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So 9 years later, here's the surf drumming example I was talking about in the first post of this thread:

https://soundcloud.com/ran-mosessco/the-gallstones-kiss-me-quick/s-xBGak

^^^^^
This is surf drumming the way I like it.
It turns even a simple 1-4-5 rip-off of "Mr. Eliminator" to an explosive tune.

Ran

kick_the_reverb wrote:

A couple of weeks ago I showed BigTikiDude a trailer from the 60's movie "Kiss Me Quick" (available on Something Weird Video) where the drummer was doing a killer job. I don't have the means to upload it, though.

I'll be glad to hear your opinions...

Ran

The Scimitars

Last edited: May 26, 2015 00:16:07

Here are a couple of my favorite surf drumming examples. The first is Scalping Party by The Tornados. Someone let their kid brother drink too much Moxie and sit at the drums for this nutszo rip off of Shanghied. I'm assuming he got kicked out of the band after he picked up the tattered and scattered drums that yard sale'd across the garage floor. I like when drummers back then would start their fills faster than the tempo, and then slow it down just in time to come back in on the one. And check out that those cool, slightly syncopated, snare to tom fills! Jackie & the Cedrics did a fantastic job on covering this one also.

There are some great fills on this Jim Messina & The Jesters version of The Breeze & I. The drums are what make this one interesting to me.

Other notable mentions - Harlem Bells by The Newport Nomads for the snare fills. And The Beach Girls and the Monster by Frank Sinatra Jr., for the feel and fills.

Last edited: Jul 10, 2015 15:39:46

Hi all! My name is Mark and I'm a Chicago-area surf drummer who's been lurking a bit here. First off, AMAZING site and forum. I love this place. I've been reading and learning so much here -- incredible.

This is a wonderful post. In my humble opinion, the guitar is the hero of pretty much every instro surf song, and the drums, when played well, should not only keep tempo, but add color, excitement and texture to what the guitar(s) are doing. I personally like to keep the groove, play with passion and add fills when a songs calls for it. Making everything too busy takes away from what this genre is about, IMO.

Dynamics are key -- underscoring the "verse" sections of the song, accenting solos and then going full-on when the song builds, crescendos, etc. And I'm in agreement with leading with the ride and using the high-hat sparingly. If I do go to the HH, I personally like it splashy for a fuller, more garage-y type sound.

As for tone, I love when drums sound big, warm and open. This is subjective and just my personal ear, but when toms are overly muffled, snares are tensioned too tightly, etc, I feel that the drums lose their "oomph" and the foundation of the song can sound shallower or weaker as a result.

I've had the fortune of owning and playing multiple kits through my life. I've had a '64 Ludwig kit, a '65 Slingerland and a 60's-era MIJ stencil kit by the brand "Majestic Deluxe." I've owned and played new kits from Gretsch, Ultraphonic (a WI-based custom company) and am now playing on Tama Starclassic Performers. My two cents: With the right tuning, pretty much any drum set can be made to sound good. It's all subjective to what works best for you.

To get the tone I like, I'm a big fan of Remo Skyntones, Remo Fiberskyns, Remo Vintage Ambassadors and Aquarian Modern vintage heads to get that warmer, fuller vintage tone. I use coated heads on the tops and bottoms of all the toms, and personally don't use moon gels to muffle anything.

Whether snare drums are wood or metal, I personally like mine open and "ringy," so they reverberate. My fav snare sound in the world is on Bill Haley's original 1954 version of Rock Around the Clock. It's like a cannon going off!! Probably like a lot of surf drummers out there, my litmus test for whether my snare is sounding good and capturing the right vibe is mentally playing the "Walk Don't Run" intro in my head. Great sounding snare that can't be beat!

So anyway, thanks again for creating this post and letting me share my two cents. Nice to "meet" all of you and I'm looking forward to slinking out of the shadows and contributing more, haha!

Attached is a pic of my current kit. It's a Tama Starclassic Performer w/22" bass drum in Shattered Turquoise Sparkle. It's a modern kit, but I just love the surfy finish and have it sounding nice n' vintage with some of the head and tuning combinations I mentioned above. Cymbals are a Dream crash/ride and high-hat -- simple, lean n' mean. Enjoy!

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