JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
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Seattle
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Posted on Apr 11 2014 01:16 PM
The vibrato is very playable, the bridge isn't terrible. You can make the current bridge work. You might have intonation issues, mine wasn't bad but a lot of people are reporting issues. My guess is the lighter strings intonate better than the heavier flats. And the bridge will need some loctite.
Labella Bass VI Flats are common strings. Anything with a .95 and up low E will work. The stock string is .84 and just a disgrace.
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Grizmit
Joined: Jun 11, 2013
Posts: 70
Right Coast, USA
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Posted on Apr 11 2014 02:16 PM
I agree, Jake - my stock bridge is cheaply constructed but absolutely functional, with intonation adjustment to spare even with the LaBellas. Loctite is a must for saddle screws. My stock vibrato also functions just fine, it's the actual fit of the arm that is my issue. It's seated as tightly as possible, but still rattles like a sidewinder when you get the right frequency vibrations. So it is noisiest when not in use (most of the time). Might put a few winds of plumbers tape on the arm and see what happens. IMO, the vibrato is almost a novelty considering the VI's frequency range - you barely get more than a half step pitch shift when fully engaged in either direction. It works, it just takes a lot of wanking to yield fairly subtle results. It's very cool though - I'd miss it if it weren't there! Anyway, you may be satisfied with status quo. Then again, you may not...
— The Rubber Band Youtube Channel
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JakeDobner
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Seattle
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Posted on Apr 11 2014 03:51 PM
I just got mine... holy crap balls... I love this thing. The vibrato works REALLY well now, just set up correctly is all it takes.
Oh my lord...
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JakeDobner
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Seattle
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Posted on Apr 11 2014 08:00 PM
And you know... the .95 on the Labella set could be a little heavier, like a 100-105. Still good though!
My favorite improvements
1.) getting the neck sanded down, feels much better to me now.
2.) The trem is tight now that attention has been given to it
3.) the strings
4.) the bridge
I was going to buy a vintage unit for this, but it is really unnecessary now. Might try to track down a mastery spring for it, that is the only thing it could improve on. It even has the blessed vibrato flutter when you push down and let go quickly.
Love the neck, I even dropped it accidentally which made a familiar slight impression on the back of the neck! It isn't sanded down to wood, but not very far away.
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JakeDobner
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Seattle
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Posted on Apr 11 2014 10:08 PM
Also... this thing sounds really good. I feel the rewiring gave it the big kick it needed. Just sounds so much better and the knobs have amazing response. The bass cut actually works(I could BARELY tell before).
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JakeDobner
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Seattle
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Posted on Apr 11 2014 10:19 PM
Hahaha.... okay... the guitar was tuned to something between D and D#... Now that the Low E is Low E it is much less floppy!
I recorded the intro to Push for Matt, but I accidentally deleted it and then had to get ready for friends to come over. It sounds so good... I was just using a Logic Pro preset call Chorusaurus with some delay added. It was an Ampeg head with a 8x10 cab. Good stuff! Neck pickup solo all the way for the Cure stuff.
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Matt22
Joined: Feb 15, 2007
Posts: 2825
Fredericksburg, Virginia
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Posted on Apr 11 2014 11:03 PM
I love that neck pickup! I played Push with a New Wave group that I had at one time. That song just kicks a$$. My VI is finally complete with AVRI pickups, a new nut, wiring, pots, and LaBella flats. Just need to pick it up tomorrow! Can't wait to hear it!
— Matt "tha Kat" Lentz
Skippy and the Skipjacks: 2018-2020
Skippyandtheskipjacks.net
https://www.facebook.com/skippyandtheskipjacks
Otto and the Ottomans: 2014-2015
The Coconauts surf band: 2009-2014
www.theamazingcoconauts.com
Group Captain and the Mandrakes 2013
http://www.gcmband.com/
The Surfside IV: 2002-2005, 2008-2009
the Del-Vamps: 1992-1999, 2006-2007
http://www.dblcrown.com/delvamps.html
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JakeDobner
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Seattle
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Posted on Apr 11 2014 11:10 PM
Awesome! Have fun when you pick it up tomorrow! I'm sure you'll have a lot of fun with it.
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Matt22
Joined: Feb 15, 2007
Posts: 2825
Fredericksburg, Virginia
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Posted on Apr 11 2014 11:10 PM
We've got a rehearsal tomorrow with it, so I'm sure I will.
— Matt "tha Kat" Lentz
Skippy and the Skipjacks: 2018-2020
Skippyandtheskipjacks.net
https://www.facebook.com/skippyandtheskipjacks
Otto and the Ottomans: 2014-2015
The Coconauts surf band: 2009-2014
www.theamazingcoconauts.com
Group Captain and the Mandrakes 2013
http://www.gcmband.com/
The Surfside IV: 2002-2005, 2008-2009
the Del-Vamps: 1992-1999, 2006-2007
http://www.dblcrown.com/delvamps.html
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Ariel
Joined: Aug 29, 2009
Posts: 1556
Israel
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Posted on Apr 12 2014 12:43 PM
Glad you`re blown out! I found that every little tweak makes a pronounced improvement on this guitar... that many at once... More pics please!
I would love to know what they did with the vibrato (other than just being good at what they do.)
I sanded my neck too, to 2400 grit, hate cheap finish.
JOb - This instrument is totally worthy of all those upgrades. But with just new nut and strings and careful setup (like any offset), you'll have a perfectly playable, smooth and sweet sounding piece of cool wood.
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JakeDobner
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Seattle
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Posted on Apr 12 2014 03:37 PM
Just the slight bend to the arm, and a tension adjustment to the right point where it doesn't go up for down without doing something. There is a sweet spot to hit. There should be no slop/no wasted action.
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Matt22
Joined: Feb 15, 2007
Posts: 2825
Fredericksburg, Virginia
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Posted on Apr 12 2014 07:15 PM
This is me after getting my VI back with the new nut, the new pups, jack, and wiring, and the LaBella flats. It's a different instrument for sure. I can hear the low E string and it isn't a rubber band anymore like the stock strings. I'm so glad I did these upgrades and highly recommend them to anyone who has one of these. The only thing about mine that's different than Jake's now is the bridge. Mine still has the stock bridge on it because I haven't had any issues with it.
— Matt "tha Kat" Lentz
Skippy and the Skipjacks: 2018-2020
Skippyandtheskipjacks.net
https://www.facebook.com/skippyandtheskipjacks
Otto and the Ottomans: 2014-2015
The Coconauts surf band: 2009-2014
www.theamazingcoconauts.com
Group Captain and the Mandrakes 2013
http://www.gcmband.com/
The Surfside IV: 2002-2005, 2008-2009
the Del-Vamps: 1992-1999, 2006-2007
http://www.dblcrown.com/delvamps.html
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Apr 12 2014 07:49 PM
Awesome! I never gave the stock bridge a chance! I wrote that it wasn't that bad earlier in this thread. Much better than I thought it would be. Never really tried to set it up/lock it down either.
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Ariel
Joined: Aug 29, 2009
Posts: 1556
Israel
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Posted on Apr 12 2014 08:31 PM
Jake, I already did that bend 1st thing, and am endlessly adjusting. It always connects with the pitch, but still feels awkward. Not happy springy like you're describing anyway. glad it works for you. Maybe I have too much overall tension with the 102 76 57 43 33 24 set, I've also shimmed the neck, just to experiment. I'll keep on tinkering...
Congrats again Matt!
What a smooth bass it is now, just a joy!
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JakeDobner
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Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Apr 12 2014 08:46 PM
The happy springy thing is just when you hold it down and launch it upwards, all my Jag/Jazzs do it. But they never use to do it until I played with the tension.
The actual action of the bar, isn't like a Jag/Jazz though due to the tension. It is functional though, at least! I don't forsee myself using it too much. On all of my guitars, I do tend to go for the vibrato a lot, and use it in the music.
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Matt22
Joined: Feb 15, 2007
Posts: 2825
Fredericksburg, Virginia
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Posted on Apr 12 2014 10:52 PM
Thanks Ariel!
Here are some pictures I just took. I'm lovin' this VI!
— Matt "tha Kat" Lentz
Skippy and the Skipjacks: 2018-2020
Skippyandtheskipjacks.net
https://www.facebook.com/skippyandtheskipjacks
Otto and the Ottomans: 2014-2015
The Coconauts surf band: 2009-2014
www.theamazingcoconauts.com
Group Captain and the Mandrakes 2013
http://www.gcmband.com/
The Surfside IV: 2002-2005, 2008-2009
the Del-Vamps: 1992-1999, 2006-2007
http://www.dblcrown.com/delvamps.html
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so1om
Joined: May 10, 2012
Posts: 492
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Posted on Apr 14 2014 12:30 PM
I have MIJ Fender VI from the early 90s. Has anyone noticed this with their Squier?
Example: If I have the neck pickup alone, sounds fine. If I have the middle pickup alone, sounds fine (disregarding the change in tone due to pickup placement).
If I use both the neck and middle pickup, the tone changes (obviously) but there is a drop in volume.
I know it's all wired correctly as I had to replace the neck pickup after the cheap MIJ crapped out. I went thru and wired proper grounds and check it to the vintage wiring spec.
Thanks!
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JakeDobner
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Seattle
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Posted on Apr 14 2014 12:35 PM
I haven't noticed that issue.
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so1om
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Posted on Apr 14 2014 12:40 PM
I don't know if it's really a thinning of tone or not. I was playing with the band yesterday, full volume. Switch a pair, any pair.. volume drop. Must be my ears. or beers.
I rarely use it in the band I am currently in. too heard rock. it's better suited for 60s style music or if you have keyboard/support instruments.
So the other night, the collet flopped into the guitar. So I disassembled all that to thread it back in. I tried snugging the collect "leaves" against the trem bar to prevent it from freely spinning to no avail. Are there other tricks to this (keep in mind it would fall in line with the early 90s MIJ version of the trem unit).
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Noel
Joined: Mar 15, 2011
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Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.
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Posted on Apr 14 2014 12:40 PM
No noticeable volume changes on my Squier Bass VI, no matter what pickup combination I use.
I also wonder if using 102 low-E and 24 high-E strings produces a tension imbalance? Aren't all the strings supposed to have roughly the same tension? Anyone bother using a string tension gauge?
Matt, yours looks simply marvelous! Got to get yours and Jake's together for sure!
— This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.
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