That cool organ sound in Diamond Head is a saxophone???

martianspy

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Posted on Apr 01 2014 03:17 PM

I was surprised to learn this fact while listening to a Bob Bogle interview. The same technique was used on Slaughter on tenth Avenue. They played it through an organ speaker to get the effect. I would love to see/hear this recreated live on stage.

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Tuck

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Posted on Apr 01 2014 03:56 PM

Leslie effect? I had no idea! I've always particularly loathed that sound, which sounded to me like a bad synthesizer!

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DannySnyder

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Posted on Apr 01 2014 05:15 PM

Makes sense to me now that you mention it. I like the sound myself

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imafunkyman

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Posted on Apr 01 2014 08:47 PM

After listening closer, I noted some sax tones. Very cool! I never would've guessed.

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bigtikidude

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Posted on Apr 01 2014 09:26 PM

well I'll be damned

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JObeast

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Posted on Apr 01 2014 09:38 PM

I went and tried to emulate it with my Moog. Couldn't come as close as with guitar – Fox Tone Machine clone (octave fuzz) – Fulltone ChoralFlange.

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Tuck

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Posted on Apr 02 2014 02:44 PM

I just remember listening to Mr Moto and thinking, "Really that sounds terrible. I wish they hadn't used that horrible cheesy organ tone. Everything else is great."

Hmm. OK, sorry - on Moto it's some kind of choral ah-ing. I think it does replace the sax in the Belairs' version. I do remember the other stuff from some point. It's all mixed up in my "mistakes the Ventures have made" file.

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TheCruelSea

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Posted on Apr 02 2014 05:42 PM

Tuck wrote:

It's all mixed up in my "mistakes the Ventures have made" file.

I would really like to dig into that file. I'm a die hard fan and have very few criticisms. But I do agree, the organ sound they featured in a bunch of songs was a bad choice.

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Tuck

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Posted on Apr 04 2014 10:25 AM

Well, I suppose it's a fairly short list. And that "strange organ tone" was at the top.

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jonfender

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Posted on Apr 04 2014 12:16 PM

Indeed it was a saxophone through a Leslie speaker. It was played by Steve Douglas. Usually it was used in conjunction with Leon Russell on the Hammond B3 organ who also played on many Ventures recording dates.
Their drummer (Mel Taylor) made an LP for Warner Bros. Records called "Mel Taylor & the Magics in Action" released in 1966. Although he used no Ventures on that LP, he used the talents of the "Wrecking Crew" & that sound was predominant on most all of the numbers on that album. (It's currently available on CD 0n their website www.theventures.com)

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martianspy Joined: Aug 09, 2009 Posts: 70 Cape Cod	Posted on Apr 01 2014 03:17 PM I was surprised to learn this fact while listening to a Bob Bogle interview. The same technique was used on Slaughter on tenth Avenue. They played it through an organ speaker to get the effect. I would love to see/hear this recreated live on stage. Last edited: Apr 01, 2014 15:30:13 Top
Tuck Joined: Sep 02, 2006 Posts: 3166 Denver, CO	Posted on Apr 01 2014 03:56 PM Leslie effect? I had no idea! I've always particularly loathed that sound, which sounded to me like a bad synthesizer! Top
DannySnyder Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 11075 Berkeley, CA	Posted on Apr 01 2014 05:15 PM Makes sense to me now that you mention it. I like the sound myself — Danny Snyder "With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo I am now playing trumpet with Prince Buster tribute band 'Balzac' Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF Top
imafunkyman Joined: Sep 16, 2007 Posts: 548 Utah	Posted on Apr 01 2014 08:47 PM After listening closer, I noted some sax tones. Very cool! I never would've guessed. — Either you surf, or you fight. Top
bigtikidude Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 25682 Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.	Posted on Apr 01 2014 09:26 PM well I'll be damned — Jeff(bigtikidude) Top
JObeast Joined: Jul 24, 2012 Posts: 2762 Finknabad, Squinkistan	Posted on Apr 01 2014 09:38 PM I went and tried to emulate it with my Moog. Couldn't come as close as with guitar – Fox Tone Machine clone (octave fuzz) – Fulltone ChoralFlange. — Squink Out! Top
Tuck Joined: Sep 02, 2006 Posts: 3166 Denver, CO	Posted on Apr 02 2014 02:44 PM I just remember listening to Mr Moto and thinking, "Really that sounds terrible. I wish they hadn't used that horrible cheesy organ tone. Everything else is great." Hmm. OK, sorry - on Moto it's some kind of choral ah-ing. I think it does replace the sax in the Belairs' version. I do remember the other stuff from some point. It's all mixed up in my "mistakes the Ventures have made" file. Last edited: Apr 02, 2014 14:51:58 Top
TheCruelSea Joined: Feb 25, 2012 Posts: 131	Posted on Apr 02 2014 05:42 PM Tuck wrote: It's all mixed up in my "mistakes the Ventures have made" file. I would really like to dig into that file. I'm a die hard fan and have very few criticisms. But I do agree, the organ sound they featured in a bunch of songs was a bad choice. Top
Tuck Joined: Sep 02, 2006 Posts: 3166 Denver, CO	Posted on Apr 04 2014 10:25 AM Well, I suppose it's a fairly short list. And that "strange organ tone" was at the top. Top
jonfender Joined: Mar 09, 2011 Posts: 273 Melbourne FL USA	Posted on Apr 04 2014 12:16 PM Indeed it was a saxophone through a Leslie speaker. It was played by Steve Douglas. Usually it was used in conjunction with Leon Russell on the Hammond B3 organ who also played on many Ventures recording dates. Their drummer (Mel Taylor) made an LP for Warner Bros. Records called "Mel Taylor & the Magics in Action" released in 1966. Although he used no Ventures on that LP, he used the talents of the "Wrecking Crew" & that sound was predominant on most all of the numbers on that album. (It's currently available on CD 0n their website www.theventures.com) Last edited: Apr 04, 2014 12:27:18 Top

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