stratdancer
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Akron, Ohio
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Posted on Feb 04 2014 09:15 AM
Thanks Norm. I'm thinking of dropping an area 61 in the bridge. The price is right and they get good reviews. I assume it will chime better than the texas special. Do you like the sound of the 61 for surf?
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fenderfan
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Posted on Feb 04 2014 11:20 AM
I haven't done the bridge/middle wiring swap in a long time, so I just did it on my Strat, and was reminded how nice the sound of the Strat neck/bridge pickups in combination can be, especially on certain songs.
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Hammond101
Joined: Feb 22, 2013
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SoCal USA
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Posted on Feb 04 2014 06:12 PM
fenderfan wrote:
I haven't done the bridge/middle wiring swap in a long time, so I just did it on my Strat, and was reminded how nice the sound of the Strat neck/bridge pickups in combination can be, especially on certain songs.
It's a great sound for some surf songs. Some just don't sound good to my ear on a Strat without bridge/neck. I avoided surfing with a Strat for a long time before I figured this out.
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Noel
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Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.
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Posted on Feb 04 2014 06:26 PM
Hammond101 wrote:
fenderfan wrote:
I haven't done the bridge/middle wiring swap in a long time, so I just did it on my Strat, and was reminded how nice the sound of the Strat neck/bridge pickups in combination can be, especially on certain songs.
It's a great sound for some surf songs. Some just don't sound good to my ear on a Strat without bridge/neck. I avoided surfing with a Strat for a long time before I figured this out.
Callaham have a blender pot that lets you dial the percentage of bridge and neck pickup signal you get. For example, if you set the middle knob to 7.5, you get either 25/75 neck/bridge or 75/25 neck/bridge, depending on which switch position you choose (2 or 4). Obviously, you can set it to 50/50 or any other combination you want. I love this feature!
You lose neck/middle and middle/bridge, but I never used them for surf anyway. Positions 1, 3 & 5 are unaffected.
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normj
Joined: Apr 26, 2010
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central Indiana
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Posted on Feb 04 2014 09:38 PM
stratdancer wrote:
Thanks Norm. I'm thinking of dropping an area 61 in the bridge. The price is right and they get good reviews. I assume it will chime better than the texas special. Do you like the sound of the 61 for surf?
Yes, I sure do. I really like the Fender 57/62 at the neck. But it does not cut it at the bridge. The Area 61 works great there and makes a nice compliment to the 57/62. On the Strats that I have the configuration, I have not wired them to play both together. I cannot speak to a neck/bridge combo played together. However, I suspect it will sound fine. I need to wire up one of the Strats to try that.
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RaistMagus
Joined: Mar 30, 2011
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Copenhagen
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Posted on Feb 05 2014 02:32 AM
I have 57/62s on one of my strats, I found them similar to the CS69 by Fender that came with the guitar (there are ppl that say they sound different, maybe my ears are not so distinguishing). After trying the CS69, 2003 American standard set and the 57/62s, I kept the 57/62s. (Here's the comparison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltIV4Jkh2wA)
I love the sound of bridge/neck but I think it suits a single-guitar surf band, in our band I lose a lot of presence in the mix when switching, say, from mid to neck/bridge.
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Hammond101
Joined: Feb 22, 2013
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SoCal USA
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Posted on Feb 07 2014 05:58 PM
Blend pots just aren't my cup of tea. I sense a slight loss of "spank" in the guitar with a blend pot in circuit. This is why I run a push pull pot with a switch to connect the bridge and neck. I place it in the bottom tone pot position in the pickguard. With this system the guitar feels normal to me and I lose no pickup switching positions. The Strat works just like a normal 5 position with the switch off and when I pull up on my push pull in 1 or 5 position I get bridge and neck. Selecting 2 or 4 with the switch engaged gives you all 3 pickups, interesting to say the least. I add another dimension to the guitar without losing a thing.
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stratdancer
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Akron, Ohio
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Posted on Feb 07 2014 06:16 PM
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Badger
Joined: Nov 16, 2013
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Wisconsin
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Posted on Mar 02 2014 08:22 AM
RaistMagus wrote:
After trying the CS69, 2003 American standard set and the 57/62s, I kept the 57/62s. (Here's the comparison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltIV4Jkh2wA)
Thanks very much for that well-documented demo. I like the sound of the 57/62's as well. I'm gonna be loading up a pickguard to drop in my (currently HH) Strat; those are very nice & within reach of my wallet as well. The SD Alnico II's give some nice things on a super switch but I miss the clarity of single-coils throughout the range & this is a surf guitar first.
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stratdancer
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Akron, Ohio
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Posted on Mar 02 2014 08:49 AM
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Badger
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Wisconsin
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Posted on Mar 02 2014 12:00 PM
stratdancer wrote:
Been reading some great reviews on this set from Rose. $75.00
http://www.rosepickups.com/apps/webstore/products/show/3862773
Thanks for the lead; I shot them a question. I've been looking at loaded pickguards because the arthritis crops up at the most inconvenient times & I'm not as steady with an iron as I used to be, but these do seem quite affordable.
Edit: Ken shot me back a note right away with some nice impressions based on what I'm looking for. Now that's someone who is managing their biz. Maybe I will go thru the kluge of assembling the bits & parts & doing it myself. (Mariposa Alnico-V's or Heritage Alnico-II's recommended, with his descriptions of each based on what I'm trying to get.) More rumination...
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stratdancer
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Akron, Ohio
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Posted on Mar 02 2014 01:47 PM
Badger wrote:
stratdancer wrote:
Been reading some great reviews on this set from Rose. $75.00
http://www.rosepickups.com/apps/webstore/products/show/3862773
Thanks for the lead; I shot them a question. I've been looking at loaded pickguards because the arthritis crops up at the most inconvenient times & I'm not as steady with an iron as I used to be, but these do seem quite affordable.
Edit: Ken shot me back a note right away with some nice impressions based on what I'm looking for. Now that's someone who is managing their biz. Maybe I will go thru the kluge of assembling the bits & parts & doing it myself. (Mariposa Alnico-V's or Heritage Alnico-II's recommended, with his descriptions of each based on what I'm trying to get.) More rumination...
What are you trying to get tone wise?
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Badger
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Wisconsin
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Posted on Mar 02 2014 02:06 PM
stratdancer wrote:
What are you trying to get tone wise?
Pretty much a traditional early -60's Strat, nothing real spectacular or niche-like; I suspect that Alnico V would give me some of that. Only a couple pedals in line; tank in its place before the amp. Pretty good versatility tone-wise on the amp. Not looking for anything in a particular pickup position to necessarily over-power the other.
I seem to recall from a really nice '62 reissue I had years ago that the bridge pickup seemed a tiny bit thin (a switch on the amp can kinda boot that in the butt if needed so no big deal). Just, well, a Strat; not Gilmour's, or EJ's, or SRV's - just a Strat I can surf with. I hate comparing to someone else's tone because it's always more than just the guitar; if I did, I'd have to mention Martin Cilia's sound or Frankie & The Poolboys. I can get all kinds of jangle & go to a different place with the JM if more is needed. (And as I've learned from recording some stuff, you can dial back highs but you can't make 'em if they ain't there to begin with.) Clarity of the traditional Strat single-coil package.
Tone; 'tis a puzzlement.
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SanomaSurf
Joined: Jun 04, 2014
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PNW
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Posted on Aug 09 2014 06:07 PM
stratdancer wrote:
Just back from the guitar god Lays Guitar Repair. He said he could hear some tone muting playing it acoustically. The plan for now is to change the cast saddles, get a callaham cold steel trem block, install a bone nut and do a setup. Recommended to do all this before thinking about changing out the texas specials.
The guitar on the far right is the one that needs the tweaks

Really nice collection, Stratdancer. I recently picked up an 80's Japanese HSS that looks similar (black on black, maple neck) to your black on black Strat in the photo (different headstock style). How do you like that humbucker? What kind of pickups are those? I'm thinking about swapping mine out. Thanks.
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stratdancer
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Akron, Ohio
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Posted on Aug 10 2014 01:00 PM
Really nice collection, Stratdancer. I recently picked up an 80's Japanese HSS that looks similar (black on black, maple neck) to your black on black Strat in the photo (different headstock style). How do you like that humbucker? What kind of pickups are those? I'm thinking about swapping mine out. Thanks.
Thanks! That strat belonged to Micheal Stanley and is a 1978. It has the original pups and a dimmarzio that MS had installed before I bought it in 84. It is coil tapped but it doesn't surf. It's a my hard rock guitar.
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CrazyAces
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Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted on Aug 10 2014 01:33 PM
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RaistMagus
Joined: Mar 30, 2011
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Copenhagen
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Posted on Aug 18 2014 06:35 AM
Stratdancer, did you do all these changes to your guitar? (saddles, nut, etc). If so, how do you like it now? Did you notice a big improvement?
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Badger
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Wisconsin
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Posted on Sep 23 2014 03:21 PM
RaistMagus wrote:
Stratdancer, did you do all these changes to your guitar? (saddles, nut, etc). If so, how do you like it now? Did you notice a big improvement?
I'm curious about this as well.
And rather than start a new thread I'd be curious of members' thoughts on choice of frets & material for a Strat re-fret? I had Jumbos once a light-year ago on a lovely '62 Japanese re-issue, but that was back in some bar-band southern/blues-rock times with lots of OD, bends, and not much musicianship.
I run 11's and a bit higher action now than standard, as I find the notes ring clearer and the guitar seems happier overall. Frets on it are standard "medium jumbo" - don't have an aversion to them but wondered if there was something that might last a bit longer in terms of material. Not sure of how sizes run; I played a CS '60 semi-relic (Fiesta Red, lovely neck ) and my guy at the shop said those were pretty much similar to '6105' but he could match whatever I pulled off the wall & liked. Some research indicates that 6105 is fairly common as a size; a bit taller, but not as wide as the "medium jumbo" dimension. I wonder if what I liked about the Fiesta (besides fresh frets) was the tiny bit of height, but with a more defined "point of the note" from the slightly smaller width.
I realize this is a very subjective area but thought I'd solicit some opinions. Thanks for listening.
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josheboy
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Twin Cities, MN
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Posted on Sep 23 2014 03:25 PM
Best strat setup for surf: Sell it and buy a Jazzmaster
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Badger
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Wisconsin
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Posted on Sep 23 2014 03:41 PM
josheboy wrote:
Best strat setup for surf: Sell it and buy a Jazzmaster

I have a JM. Now be gone before somebody drops a house on you.
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