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Too much reverb?

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vulture Joined: Jan 14, 2007 Posts: 68 australia	Posted on Jan 29 2007 04:29 AM Is it possible to use too much reverb? youtube examples maybe? (all surf though) What does everyone set thier reveb levels to? — image Top
pointbreakspy Joined: Aug 24, 2006 Posts: 204 Newcastle... Australia	Posted on Jan 29 2007 05:14 AM i'm yet to score a tank, so i can't get too much yet: i put a digital delay pedal with my dano spring king to give it some extra fake drip why don't you let your own ears be the judge? adam Top
JoshHeartless Joined: Jun 17, 2006 Posts: 1010 Bay City, Michigan	Posted on Jan 29 2007 09:58 AM off topic, but how is that spring king? I'd like to try one out soon. As for too much reverb... I could see that being a problem, but I don't think alot of people would manage to get there though. — The Tremblors on Facebook! The Tremblors on MySpace! Top
bigtikidude Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 25546 Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.	Posted on Jan 29 2007 11:24 AM some people seriously, or joke that there is never enough reverb. I like alot of reverb on surf guitar, even though I am a bass player. But I think there is a point when you can get into too much territory. The effect will get too over the top and you'll only hear it, and not the actuall note, which may be what you want. but remember your playing a guitar, not a tank. I cant think of an example off the top of my head, but Im sure there are some out there. Just remember its hard to record the reverb as you hear it to your ear, and have the recording sound the same. most people have the 3 settings on the tank between 5 and 7, so mess around in that area and see what you like. Jeff(bigtikidude) — Jeff(bigtikidude) Top
Redd_Tyde Joined: Apr 23, 2006 Posts: 260 Oceanside, CA	Posted on Jan 29 2007 06:23 PM If you play with any kind of overdrive/distortion or pitch altering effects. Having to much reverb can send you into the mud real fast. When I use my tank, I keep all the knobs pretty much at high noon. Depending on the tone of the guitar. When play with my Jag, I will move the tone knob to around 10 to 11 o'clock. I just try to keep the ringing of oversaturation from coming through. Everybody is going to be a little bit different depending on the gear they use. My current reverb is re-issue tank which is going to sound the same as some of the vintage one. -Redd Tyde Top
SurfBandBill Joined: Mar 15, 2006 Posts: 1487 San Francisco	Posted on Jan 30 2007 01:19 AM I think the clear-cut definition of "too much reverb" is when it gets in the way of what you're playing. I've heard a few rare instances where definition of the individual notes, or progression of chords gets warped by too much 'verb, and it sounds like you're playing a big wash of echo. I personally set my tank with the dwell at 4.5, mix at 7, and tone at about 5.5. It gives me just enough "booch" to have a nicely reverberated tone, but is shallow enough that I get great definition no matter whether I'm playing individual notes or chords. The only time things get a little hairy (but I like it that way) is when I use the fuzz with reverb. That makes for some interesting tones. As for the Spring King, I found that it emulates an onboard reverb at best. Tonally it sounds nice, but it functions almost more like a slap echo than an actual tank. Booch factor is about 2. It's good for folks that don't have Fender onboard 'verb or a tank, but from the opinions I have heard, you're almost better off with a Digitech Digiverb. ~B~ Top
Brian Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19276 Des Moines, Iowa, USA	Posted on Jan 30 2007 09:08 AM Bill, it is actually spelled "boooch". — Site dude - S3 Agent #202 Need help with the site? SG101 FAQ - Send me a private message - Email me "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea Top
kick_the_reverb Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 1335 Escondido, CA	Posted on Jan 30 2007 09:40 AM Too much reverb sometimes causes harsh overdrive/distortion, that's after you loose definition - try putting everything on 10 on your tank if you havn't already done so. BTW: Aren't we over that "Booch" thing? It was ridiculous when someone said somthing like "this is the offical Slovenian word for Reverb", which is obviously not true. It does describe the tank sound correctly, but I feel like I'm in that Seinfeld episode "Helllllllllllllloooooooooooo" Ran — The Scimitars Top
Brian Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19276 Des Moines, Iowa, USA	Posted on Jan 30 2007 09:52 AM About boooch: (3 o's - very important ;) ) Robi from the Bitch Boys once posted on Cowabunga, asking Dano from the Nebulas about a reverb unit. He asked if it had that "boooch boooch" sound to it. The Nebulas certainly thought it was pretty funny, and were still talking about it a few months later when I saw them for the first time in Indianapolis. Is it over played? Yeah, probably. I'll go see if I still have that posting. — Site dude - S3 Agent #202 Need help with the site? SG101 FAQ - Send me a private message - Email me "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea Top
SurfBandBill Joined: Mar 15, 2006 Posts: 1487 San Francisco	Posted on Jan 30 2007 11:35 PM You know, Ran, I have to admit, I used "boooch" at first in a joking way when it was all the rage a few years back on the SG101 yahoo group, but nowadays, I do find myself using it in regular conversation - it's the best way to discuss the sound of the tank when properly dialed in. Besides, as an English teacher, I can write it off as "onomatopoeia". Until then, may the boooch be with you... ~B~ Top
MaxReverb Joined: Dec 28, 2006 Posts: 20	Posted on Jan 31 2007 12:38 AM To much reverb? Ahhhhhh haaaaaaaaaa. Never. Top
diceophonic Joined: May 20, 2006 Posts: 2174 PacNW (Vancouver, Wa U.S.A.)	Posted on Jan 31 2007 01:25 AM It's like that old 80s Wendy's TV spot "Where's the beef??!!!" but for me it's "Where's the reverb I need more?!!!" — -Kyle Beyond The Surf YouTube channel Beyond The Surf Instagram The Verbtones @ Instagram The Verbtones @ Facebook The Verbtones @ bandcamp Top
MikeG Joined: Mar 29, 2006 Posts: 309 Springfield, Oregon	Posted on Jan 31 2007 12:39 PM Heck yeah it's possible to use too much reverb, in fact I hear it fairly often. People turn the tone knob up to get the drip, but if it's up too high the tone gets really thin and sucked-out in the midrange. And too much mix or dwell makes the notes sound muddy and undefined. At it's worst, overuse of reverb makes the music sound like a PARODY of surf. Sorry if I sound overly opinionated, I've just wanted to say that for a long time. Top
Anonymous Joined: Nov 10, 2000 Posts: -180	Posted on Feb 05 2007 07:22 PM what?? no higher than 2/3's up on the vox. can get a little booochy after that. peace Top
Tuck Joined: Sep 02, 2006 Posts: 3166 Denver, CO	Posted on Feb 05 2007 09:27 PM May I ask an ignorant question? What's the effect (or level) on something like the Fathoms's Fathomless (Bikini Beach)? Or for that matter, on the Crossfire's Inferno? You could maybe say of that that you can't have too much, but ... you could do it too often. Top
boyecho Joined: Mar 05, 2006 Posts: 251	Posted on Mar 08 2007 11:33 PM i was at 4 dwell, 8 mix, and 9 tone on my dead stock reissue fender tank. plugged in an nos rca6k6gt and a couple mullards and had to change my settings a bit. i'm now around 5 dwell, 6 mix, and 7 on tone. i cant believe how much more definition i have. i like the tone up high for extra brightness. i'm using ampeg v4 amps which are trebly, but dark. so i compensate with the 'verb tank. i don't think there is a thing as too much reverb. for trad surf, yes.. for discerning actual notes, yes. but i take the 'experimental/noise approach' and also make use of three delay pedals AND a digital reverb on my pedalboard. often at once. Top
SledDawg Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 13 High Bridge, NJ	Posted on Apr 09 2007 01:19 PM I'm a newbie on this Forum, but an oldster guitar player. I don't have a (holy) Fender unit - just amp reverb and a lowly Premier tank. I think it's too much when the reverb turns into a "note" itself. Sometimes you want that, but if you are not really listening to the overtones that are naturally in the springs, you are just adding something that may be waaaaay out of tune with the pitches you are playing. And that's just annoying and fatiguing to the ear - yours and those of the audience. Remember - it's an EFFECT, not an instrument (I know, some will disgaree with that!) Also, though many of the great surf bands were drenched in reverb, the early Ventures were not. YMMV... Top
bigtikidude Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 25546 Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.	Posted on Apr 09 2007 01:59 PM Not slagging you sir, but remember The Ventures were not a surf band. there are those of us who like all sorts of instro music, fro Dry as a bone to soaking in reverb wetness. I prefer the later, but if a song is a good song it doesn't have to have reverb. But in my book, it just adds to it. Jeff(bigtikidude) — Jeff(bigtikidude) Top
SledDawg Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 13 High Bridge, NJ	Posted on Apr 09 2007 03:50 PM bigtikidude wrote: Not slagging you sir, but remember The Ventures were not a surf band. oh yeah, I know - didn't want to start a religious discussion.... there are those of us who like all sorts of instro music, from Dry as a bone to soaking in reverb wetness. I prefer the later, but if a song is a good song it doesn't have to have reverb. But in my book, it just adds to it. surprised no one has quoted Danny Gatton's well-worn phrase: "If you turn it up loud enough, it doesn't need any reverb!" still true today Top

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