ParkRowe
Joined: Apr 01, 2013
Posts: 147
Vancouver BC
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Posted on Apr 03 2013 12:09 PM
I've played in bands before, but i've never started a new band. a couple years ago i found people on Craigslist to start a rock band (AC/DC type stuff) and got everyone together for the first time and it was a disaster.
I want to start a Instrumental / Surf / Rock band, mostly covers with some originals as well. I've been learning the material i want to play, and i think it's time to get jamming/practicing with a band.
Should i look for members one at a time? if so, what first? drums, bass or rhythm guitar? or get a few people together right away? (didn't work out before)
I'm looking for good approaches to this.. what do you guys recommend?
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killbabykill34
Joined: Apr 03, 2010
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Jacksonville, AL
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Posted on Apr 03 2013 12:12 PM
The one at a time approach works well, according to my own experience. At the very least, you can connect with one person and then both decide what you want to add next. Even more, members tend to come with their own connections.
I started off with a rhythm guitar player(no longer in the band). He liked what we were doing and ended up contacting an old drummer that he used to work with and convincing him to give it a try. I would have never connected with the drummer otherwise, as 'surf' was the last thing on his mind. He came in and is one of the best drummers I have ever had the pleasure of creating music with. Even more, he might be the second most devoted person in the band.
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JObeast
Joined: Jul 24, 2012
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Finknabad, Squinkistan
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Posted on Apr 03 2013 12:49 PM
Excellent topic for discussion. Here in LA I find few experienced players are interested in 'startups' – they want to plug into an extant working band and start playing gigs after a few rehearsals.
Well, I'm not there yet... just working out songs with a very patient and talented drummer. I posted an ad here looking for additional members... so far I've had sympathetic responses but no sessions with new collaborators.
To sit and wait is NOT an option (already 'too old' by LA standards) so I've decided to push ahead as a duo for the time being, focus on a set and try to get gigs in art galleries, etc. where a full band is not requisite or desirable. If we get any such gigs, we will accomplish at least two important things: 1st – becoming competent to play in the ultimate strip-down mode, where nothing will hide one's inadequacies; 2nd – put us out there where players in the audience might respond with interest.
So far, it's just a goal that we are working toward achieving.
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thomasd
Joined: Aug 17, 2012
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Eugene, Oregon
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Posted on Apr 03 2013 01:05 PM
Starting a band is all about finding like minded people. Once you find them open communication is the key to making it work. In my case, I was lucky to have worked with a drummer and guitar player in previous bands. They were very open to creating a surf band. Moreover, we found a bass player on CL who was raised in Hunting Beach, CA.
The other way to do it is to throw money at players who need it. If you're wealthy just hire the guys you want, tell them what and how to play their parts.
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bamboozer
Joined: Jan 18, 2010
Posts: 672
Delaware
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Posted on Apr 03 2013 01:48 PM
It's not just L.A., pro level players want as few practices as possible and then out and gig for money, and I'm as guilty as anyone else. Having said that I've stepped off the gig/money treadmill and am now attempting to play "for fun" in my old age. But it's just as bad, no one wants to practice, everyone wants to play. As already noted if your not offering money or name recognition ( and sometimes even if you are ) you need the "find one guy" approach. In the end it comes down to keep on looking.
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ParkRowe
Joined: Apr 01, 2013
Posts: 147
Vancouver BC
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Posted on Apr 03 2013 01:49 PM
"The other way to do it is to throw money at players who need it. If you're wealthy just hire the guys you want, tell them what and how to play their parts."
lol no i'm not wealthy and i wouldn't want hired people to jam with.
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Apr 03 2013 06:38 PM
Write a surf song, tell your friends they are in a surf band. Tell the bassist or other guitarist the chords, let 'em have at it.
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 11053
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Apr 03 2013 08:52 PM
For the older musicians, I suggest you try to make practices fun and worth the effort to get together. Ideally it should be something each person looks forward to - an escape from mundane reality. Gigs should just be icing on the cake.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
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CenturyBob
Joined: Dec 05, 2008
Posts: 56
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Posted on Apr 03 2013 08:57 PM
I agree with Danny. For me, being in my 40s its all about the practice and having something different to do at the end of a week. Gigs are a blast and give the band something to work forward to but I do like practice.
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bigtikidude
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 25568
Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.
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Posted on Apr 03 2013 09:22 PM
Tell em it's that much time away from the nagging wife.
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LittleKahunaCraig
Joined: Jan 09, 2008
Posts: 386
Orange County, CA
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Posted on Apr 03 2013 09:59 PM
Try developing a short set list, say 10 songs, that you want to play. Put down who is to play rhythm or lead guitar so when people respond to your ad, you can email it to them. If they respond again, you can plan a one on one rehearsal. If that goes well, plan a few more. If those go well, you can start introducing new band members to the mix. Eventually you have a band and can begin expanding the set list.
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casey
Joined: May 18, 2006
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Posted on Apr 04 2013 05:04 AM
Having started an all instrumental band from scratch (3rd Wave) I can only say what seemed to work for me. 1st, have at least some general concept for the band ( "Classic Surf Covers" , "Variety Pop Instrumentals", "All Original Surf Instrumentals") and some idea who your potential audience might be (bars, country clubs, corporate gigs, outdoor concerts, sporting events). As you progress this may change but at least it gives a starting point. For 3rd Wave we looked to the Ventures and basically tried to use their format of playing guitar based instrumental covers of "catchy" songs with a melody, and to come as close to having studio-quality sound as possible.
As several posters have mentioned, quality players don't generally want to spend a lot of time at practice. To minimize practice time, I would pick a song, come up with an arrangement, learn my part (usually lead guitar), and then write out a basic chord chart. If you do that up front, when you find another musician to work with or audition, things can progress pretty quickly.My impression is that you are a lot more likely to find good musicians if you've done your homework. I try to think of practice as something I do at home on my own to learn and perfect the material and get other band members take the same approach. Then when the whole band gets together it's to rehearse what they mostly already know. Personally, I think it is important to play out in front of an audience as much as possible, and overall we probably play out 2 or 3 times for each rehearsal on average.
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da-ron
Joined: Jan 02, 2009
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The original Plymouth, UK.
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Posted on Apr 04 2013 03:23 PM
Good on you for actually starting a surf band. I'll go +1 with Danny & Killbabykill. Find another person and learn/write some songs. Make sure you both know what kind of band you'll be in. Once you have a pocketful of songs you can approach other musicians for their contributions.
It's really important to manage everyone's expectations about the future of a surf band. You may not get much in the way of gigs and money, but you do have full creativity. This appeals to older players. And as Danny says, make the practices fun.
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ParkRowe
Joined: Apr 01, 2013
Posts: 147
Vancouver BC
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Posted on Apr 04 2013 04:11 PM
Thank you all for the great advice!
ok, so far... i want to do surf and instrumentals. Ventures style for lack of a better comparison.
I'm working on 15 - 20 songs to start with before i get others in. I'm pretty much almost there. I would like to add drums, bass and another guitar. mostly for fun. so yes, practice needs to be fun for all. the only gigs i'm interested in are Show and Shines (car shows) and street festivals in the neighborhood. and that's if all goes really well. if not, just practice jams for the love of playing good music!
I'll start a drummer that i've played with before and add new members one at a time. that's if the drummer is interested of course.
this should be fun
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da-ron
Joined: Jan 02, 2009
Posts: 1307
The original Plymouth, UK.
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Posted on Apr 04 2013 04:13 PM
Don't underestimate how hard it is getting gigs with no singer.
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stevel
Joined: Oct 12, 2012
Posts: 219
Hampton Roads, Virginia
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Posted on Apr 04 2013 04:51 PM
ParkRowe wrote:
I want to start a Instrumental / Surf / Rock band, mostly covers with some originals as well. I've been learning the material i want to play, and i think it's time to get jamming/practicing with a band.
Post a CL ad.
Say EXACTLY what it is you're looking to do.
You need to be super duper uber clear about what it is you want to do. If you're not quite sure what you want to do, you either need to decide that first, or be willing to let others control some of the direction of the band.
Let me just say here that there's a big difference between a "real" band, and some guys "jamming". Most - and I mean most - people do not have the work ethic to perform with a real, gigging, working band. It's a job, and it has to be approached like a job. Everyone needs to learn the material, everyone needs to work together towards a common goal (which should be clearly defined at the outset), everyone needs to have their act together.
If you place a nebulous or ill-defined ad, you're going to get all kinds of goofballs responding. Then you're going to have to go through all kinds of trouble trying to make these various players work out. That's a LOT of time and effort on your part and you'll become frustrated and disappointed.
If you place a very specific ad, you will likely keep all those goofballs from responding, but you'll also limit the number of respondents to only those really interested. While that can be good, if you don't get enough respondents to put together a band, it will be disappointing as well, but at least you won't have to had to deal with all the nutjobs and waste all that time. It should also give you a general feel for how marketable such a product would be in your area as well as musician interest in it.
Good Luck,
Steve
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humboldthead
Joined: May 16, 2009
Posts: 8
Eureka
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Posted on Apr 04 2013 08:28 PM
I find that finding people you enjoy being around is the first move (if this is a diy effort). then from there being constructive (it doesn't have to be all about gigs). recording, discussing, writing, making demos for shows, the shows all take effort... practices can be a way to be constructive on many levels about many different things. this tends to have been the most successful way for me (been playing in bands for 24+ years).
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Ruhar
Joined: Jun 21, 2007
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San Diego, CA
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Posted on Apr 05 2013 09:34 AM
- Find 2 to 3 other people that don't need to earn money from playing shows.
- Brainwash those people into instrumental martyrdom.
Good luck.
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josheboy
Joined: Mar 13, 2009
Posts: 2365
Twin Cities, MN
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Posted on Apr 05 2013 10:02 AM
Ruhar wrote:
- Find 2 to 3 other people that don't need to earn money from playing shows.
- Brainwash those people into instrumental martyrdom.
Good luck.
I'm only slightly kidding
"Instrumental Martyrdom" would be a good band/album/song title!!!
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JObeast
Joined: Jul 24, 2012
Posts: 2762
Finknabad, Squinkistan
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Posted on Apr 05 2013 12:50 PM
I like "Cruelty to Robots". But that would be a Top 40 covers band. And they'd get paid.
— Squink Out!
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