Reverb pedal or tank

ras1500

Joined: Nov 17, 2011
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Queen Creek, AZ
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Posted on Mar 19 2013 01:49 PM

I have a Vox Pathfinder 15R amp that sounds pretty decent, but to me the reverb could be stronger. I've read about people upgrading this amp by installing an Accutronics 8eb2c1b tank. I've also considered just using a reverb pedal (TC electronics Hall of Fame). Obviously the pedal is an easier install but the tank is less expensive. Since there probably are a lot of reverb junkies at this site, I'm soliciting your opinions on which way to go.

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Noel

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Posted on Mar 19 2013 02:00 PM

This has been discussed ad-nauseum. These will get you started. I have three amps with very good on-board reverb, and none of them sound as good as my Texotica reverb. It's a toss-up about the on-boards compared to the best pedals out there; that really depends on how good the on-boards are and which pedals. Lots of strong opinions based on personal experience. IMHO. YMMV.

http://surfguitar101.com/search/?q=reverb+tank&models=forums.topic
http://surfguitar101.com/forums/topic/10756/
http://surfguitar101.com/search/?q=onboard+reverb&models=forums.topic

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derekirving

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Posted on Mar 19 2013 02:32 PM

If it was me, I'd be practical and not emotional about it. I'd purchase a MOD 8EB2C1B pan (first choice if you're looking for smoother/deeper reverb) or accurtonics 8EB2C1B pan (brighter reverb) to upgrade the amp's reverb. The cost is under $25 and pretty simple. (low risk)

If it does not workout, then put the original one back in and return the new pan if you want too, then start researching a pedal. It kind of depends on how much reverb you need and the sound you're going after. If you just want some ambiance/reverb I bet a new pan would be fine. If you want more variety to your reverb sound/tone, then a pedal could make more sense.

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josheboy

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Posted on Mar 19 2013 03:07 PM

If a picture is worth a thousand words, an animated GIF (being a collection of many pictures) is worth many thousands of words.

So here is my many thousand worded reply to this particular topic:

Thanks. That is all.

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seafoam_johnny

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Posted on Mar 19 2013 03:07 PM

Good job Noel.

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Noel

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Posted on Mar 19 2013 04:59 PM

I hope no one, least of all Raymond, thinks I was putting him down for asking. While it's an old question, new pedals and lots of new information (like the recent pan comparison http://surfguitar101.com/forums/topic/20948/) keep adding to the discussion.

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DannySnyder

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Posted on Mar 19 2013 09:43 PM

I erased all those posts based on my erroneous post. Sorry gang, especially Noel.

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I am now playing trumpet with Prince Buster tribute band 'Balzac'

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Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF

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Noel

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Posted on Mar 19 2013 09:50 PM

DannySnyder wrote:

I erased all those posts based on my erroneous post. Sorry gang, especially Noel.

Nothing to apologize for, Danny. Besides, otherwise I'd never asked what an "OP" is.

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ras1500

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Posted on Mar 20 2013 02:53 PM

No offense taken. I usually check out websites during my lunch break at work, so I didn't spend a lot of time with the search function. The quick search that I did perform didn't really provide me with what I was looking for. I currently don't own any pedals, so I have no experience with them. I was just wondering if a reverb pedal can be used on top of an onboard unit to increase the 'verb; which it apparently can if the onboard unit is turned off. FWIW, I'm just an old guy relearning the guitar after a long hiatus. Since I can't sing a note, surf music works well for me (I also have about 7 Ventures albums in vinyl that I purchased in the 1960's, so the attraction to surf music goes way back).

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Noel

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Posted on Mar 20 2013 03:31 PM

You actually can use a reverb pedal in front of an onboard reverb. It creates a reverb tail if you get the combination just right. Experiment with all the settings until you like what you hear.

Old guy relearning guitar? At least you learned guitar in the first place, so you're way ahead of me in that department. Glad you're here.

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ras1500

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Posted on Mar 20 2013 04:29 PM

I never really learned much the first time around. But with DVD's and the internet, learning is much easier now.

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tubeswell

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Posted on Mar 21 2013 08:08 PM

Stand alone reverb unit wins for me. But I do like a little bit of 1-bit delay in some tunes to give a 50s slap-back rockabilly effect.

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moseseatonjr

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south shore-NJ

Posted on Mar 27 2013 11:55 PM

Tank all the way for sure. MUCH more movement of the springs--and you can dial it in. I have never heard anything sound like a Real Fender Reverb Unit.

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moseseatonjr

Joined: Jan 22, 2013
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south shore-NJ

Posted on Mar 27 2013 11:58 PM

Tubeswell I agree, delay and reverb sound great. just add a roland space echo to the mix and you can dial in anything you want. And the modern boss versions do sound pretty good, but there is no substitute for real tape delay. Brian Setzer still uses one. Fender Bassman (Blonde) "g" circuit and a roland space echo.

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Pyronauts

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Posted on Mar 28 2013 12:20 AM

"Spank the Tank"

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SanchoPansen

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Posted on Mar 29 2013 05:02 AM

Darn, wrong thread! Sorry!

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ras1500 Joined: Nov 17, 2011 Posts: 21 Queen Creek, AZ	Posted on Mar 19 2013 01:49 PM I have a Vox Pathfinder 15R amp that sounds pretty decent, but to me the reverb could be stronger. I've read about people upgrading this amp by installing an Accutronics 8eb2c1b tank. I've also considered just using a reverb pedal (TC electronics Hall of Fame). Obviously the pedal is an easier install but the tank is less expensive. Since there probably are a lot of reverb junkies at this site, I'm soliciting your opinions on which way to go. Top
Noel Joined: Mar 15, 2011 Posts: 8528 Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.	Posted on Mar 19 2013 02:00 PM This has been discussed ad-nauseum. These will get you started. I have three amps with very good on-board reverb, and none of them sound as good as my Texotica reverb. It's a toss-up about the on-boards compared to the best pedals out there; that really depends on how good the on-boards are and which pedals. Lots of strong opinions based on personal experience. IMHO. YMMV. http://surfguitar101.com/search/?q=reverb+tank&models=forums.topic http://surfguitar101.com/forums/topic/10756/ http://surfguitar101.com/search/?q=onboard+reverb&models=forums.topic — This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got. Last edited: Mar 19, 2013 14:07:36 Top
derekirving Joined: Nov 03, 2011 Posts: 660	Posted on Mar 19 2013 02:32 PM If it was me, I'd be practical and not emotional about it. I'd purchase a MOD 8EB2C1B pan (first choice if you're looking for smoother/deeper reverb) or accurtonics 8EB2C1B pan (brighter reverb) to upgrade the amp's reverb. The cost is under $25 and pretty simple. (low risk) If it does not workout, then put the original one back in and return the new pan if you want too, then start researching a pedal. It kind of depends on how much reverb you need and the sound you're going after. If you just want some ambiance/reverb I bet a new pan would be fine. If you want more variety to your reverb sound/tone, then a pedal could make more sense. Last edited: Mar 19, 2013 14:33:08 Top
josheboy Joined: Mar 13, 2009 Posts: 2367 Twin Cities, MN	Posted on Mar 19 2013 03:07 PM If a picture is worth a thousand words, an animated GIF (being a collection of many pictures) is worth many thousands of words. So here is my many thousand worded reply to this particular topic: Thanks. That is all. Top
seafoam_johnny Joined: Jul 27, 2007 Posts: 1099 4 faces. (Where the buffalo roam)	Posted on Mar 19 2013 03:07 PM Good job Noel. Top
Noel Joined: Mar 15, 2011 Posts: 8528 Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.	Posted on Mar 19 2013 04:59 PM I hope no one, least of all Raymond, thinks I was putting him down for asking. While it's an old question, new pedals and lots of new information (like the recent pan comparison http://surfguitar101.com/forums/topic/20948/) keep adding to the discussion. — This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got. Top
DannySnyder Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 11077 Berkeley, CA	Posted on Mar 19 2013 09:43 PM I erased all those posts based on my erroneous post. Sorry gang, especially Noel. — Danny Snyder "With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo I am now playing trumpet with Prince Buster tribute band 'Balzac' Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF Top
Noel Joined: Mar 15, 2011 Posts: 8528 Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.	Posted on Mar 19 2013 09:50 PM DannySnyder wrote: I erased all those posts based on my erroneous post. Sorry gang, especially Noel. Nothing to apologize for, Danny. Besides, otherwise I'd never asked what an "OP" is. — This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got. Top
ras1500 Joined: Nov 17, 2011 Posts: 21 Queen Creek, AZ	Posted on Mar 20 2013 02:53 PM No offense taken. I usually check out websites during my lunch break at work, so I didn't spend a lot of time with the search function. The quick search that I did perform didn't really provide me with what I was looking for. I currently don't own any pedals, so I have no experience with them. I was just wondering if a reverb pedal can be used on top of an onboard unit to increase the 'verb; which it apparently can if the onboard unit is turned off. FWIW, I'm just an old guy relearning the guitar after a long hiatus. Since I can't sing a note, surf music works well for me (I also have about 7 Ventures albums in vinyl that I purchased in the 1960's, so the attraction to surf music goes way back). Top
Noel Joined: Mar 15, 2011 Posts: 8528 Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.	Posted on Mar 20 2013 03:31 PM You actually can use a reverb pedal in front of an onboard reverb. It creates a reverb tail if you get the combination just right. Experiment with all the settings until you like what you hear. Old guy relearning guitar? At least you learned guitar in the first place, so you're way ahead of me in that department. Glad you're here. — This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got. Top
ras1500 Joined: Nov 17, 2011 Posts: 21 Queen Creek, AZ	Posted on Mar 20 2013 04:29 PM I never really learned much the first time around. But with DVD's and the internet, learning is much easier now. Top
tubeswell Joined: Sep 24, 2011 Posts: 1424 Wellington, NZ	Posted on Mar 21 2013 08:08 PM Stand alone reverb unit wins for me. But I do like a little bit of 1-bit delay in some tunes to give a 50s slap-back rockabilly effect. — He who dies with the most tubes... wins Surf Daddies Top
moseseatonjr Joined: Jan 22, 2013 Posts: 6 south shore-NJ	Posted on Mar 27 2013 11:55 PM Tank all the way for sure. MUCH more movement of the springs--and you can dial it in. I have never heard anything sound like a Real Fender Reverb Unit. — MEJr. Top
moseseatonjr Joined: Jan 22, 2013 Posts: 6 south shore-NJ	Posted on Mar 27 2013 11:58 PM Tubeswell I agree, delay and reverb sound great. just add a roland space echo to the mix and you can dial in anything you want. And the modern boss versions do sound pretty good, but there is no substitute for real tape delay. Brian Setzer still uses one. Fender Bassman (Blonde) "g" circuit and a roland space echo. — MEJr. Top
Pyronauts Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 1170 Northern CA	Posted on Mar 28 2013 12:20 AM "Spank the Tank" Top
SanchoPansen Joined: Jan 04, 2011 Posts: 1588 Berlin L-Berg	Posted on Mar 29 2013 05:02 AM Darn, wrong thread! Sorry! — The Hicadoolas Last edited: Mar 29, 2013 05:05:24 Top

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