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kenposurf wrote:

Best Jag I've ever owned..Morphball made me do it Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin

Well before it came out, I did half-way joke that there would be one in every surf band, so everything is just going according to plan... Thumbs Up

Mike
http://www.youtube.com/morphballio

Last edited: Jan 29, 2013 09:48:16

Nice video interview published yesterday...

Does Johnny Marr deliver for Smiths fans?

Mike
http://www.youtube.com/morphballio

Last edited: Jan 30, 2013 14:35:59

BeachBumScott wrote:

This talk of XTC and Echo & the Bunnymen remind me of "Urgh! A Music War".

Ah (or Urgh)! Lux Interior/The Cramps alone worth the price of admission!

Rick

Rick

That video for The Messenger looks like it could have been filmed in my "back yard" so to speak. I live around areas where forests meet the dunes, and after I found out that Marr keeps a second home in Portland OR, I would bet that was shot along the coast somewhere.

edit: I guess it's a good thing I'm not a betting man. I've discovered that location is probably the Sefton coast--Northwest England, not Northwest U.S. That makes sense . . .

Last edited: Feb 01, 2013 21:05:15

Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DX0fX47rQMc

insectsurfer wrote:

Johnny Marr is certainly a great guitarist. As a current geezer who came of age in the punk-rock era, if you like Marr, I urge you to seek out recordings by a post-punk band called the Monochrome Set. Morrissey has even admitted being a big fan of them and when i first heard The Smiths , I thought it was The Monochrome Set's guitarist, the humorously self-named 'Lester Square'! They had a singer ,an east-Indian chap known as 'Bid',who was equally as fey and intelligent as Bryan Ferry, only a hell of a lot more humorous. i used to describe their sound as 'English dancehall meets Turkish surf'! Really creative stuff and they even did some great and often surf-style instrumentals-look for 'the Puerto Rican Fence Climber', '405 Lines', 'The Etcetera Stroll', and especially 'Andiamo'...
Their (mostly) vocal stuff is very clever and inventive, and they had a really cool theme song as well!
Their heyday was through the 80s...

Holy crap, this thread is still going?!
Anyways, YES the Monochrome Set were pretty cool!
We used to do covers of 'Andiamo' and 'Lester Leaps In' back in the olden days.

Paul
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This thread will always be going! Mainly because this is a Surf Music board so I can't justify a new thread every time I see something Marr I like.

JakeDobner wrote:

Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DX0fX47rQMc

Cool... the video was so clear I went home last night and just started playing part of it from memory! I love that 335... I dig his black one slightly more though, that was used on The Queen is Dead.

Mike
http://www.youtube.com/morphballio

ES-355! '59 to be specific. In 1960 they had the short guard, and '58 has different knobs.

The Black one is a '59 ES-355 as well, super rare. Must be a one-off. Black with nickle hardware... come on!

Ah right, my mistake. It's pretty amazing... he seems to have another one in walnut too, but the black one is thee shit.

Mike
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Here's another one - Johnny's definitely making the rounds in the anticipation of the release of his album!

The Wall Street Journal
CULTURAL CONVERSATION
February 20, 2013,

Still Close to His Roots
By JIM FUSILLI

Manchester, England

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Born 49 years ago in the Ardwick district here, Johnny Marr quickly dived into his lifelong passion for popular music and guitars, forming his first band at age 13 and falling under the sway of local guitar heroes like Billy Duffy. In May 1982, Mr. Marr met Steven Patrick Morrissey at the latter's childhood home in Stretford, which led to the formation of the Smiths, one of rock's greatest and most influential groups of the 1980s.

Though Mr. Marr has been living in Portland, Ore., since 2005, he returned here last year to write and record "The Messenger" (Sire), his first solo album. (He considers "Boomslang," the 2003 disc with the trio Johnny Marr + the Healers, to be a band recording, though he sang and wrote all the tunes.) "The Messenger" reveals Mr. Marr is still close to his roots.

"My songs aren't abstract," he said late last year over tea not far from the Manchester Piccadilly train station. "They're punchy and direct. They're about growing up in towns."

New Wave's energy and its affinity for pop structure also informs "The Messenger," out next week. Mr. Marr goes right at it, kicking off with a blast of alternative rock—surely fans of the Smiths, which Mr. Marr left in 1987, will recognize the chiming, meticulous guitars of "European Me" and the stinging lines of "I Want the Heartbeat." Later, a chugging acoustic guitar serves as the foundation for "New Town Velocity," again much as it did in many arrangements from the Smiths days.

"The Messenger" is retrominded because Mr. Marr is revisiting an infectious sound he created in the 1980s. "Going into this record, coming back to the U.K.," he said, "I wanted to be in a place where I had the notions of what a guitar group should sound like. I wanted my tempos to be up and be urgent." He added that he set out to make a record he could play live. "I didn't want the audience to stand waiting for a minute and a half to get to the point." His U.S. tour kicks off April 11 in Las Vegas.

Mr. Marr said he reviewed his approach to composition before writing "The Messenger." "The things I've done that are most effective are when I get to play the sound of my feelings. Ideas date, but full-on emotion and passion doesn't lose its potency."

His arrangements remain a collection of intricate, interlocking parts. "For the longest time, I perceived records like a stained-glass window or an abstract painting. On a Smiths record, there might be a slogan on top of an emotional mosaic." But by subordinating finely wrought individual components to an overall attack, he realized that an arrangement could add up to something more direct. "It could be a great, straightforward rock 'n' roll punk thing—impressionistic rather than abstract." In "Sun & Moon," several beefy, rasping guitar lines give the rave-up a complexity that doesn't detract from its drive.

As vocalist, Mr. Marr delivers his lines drily and honestly without the controlled hysteria of his former partner, Morrissey. In the brooding "Say Demesne," he moves deftly into a crooning style not unlike Richard Hawley's. He's not interested in conforming to a mainstream standard and was hell-bent on avoiding what he called "the karaoke culture" of "American Idol," "The X Factor" and other programs in which singing is a competition for the mass taste. Those shows, he said, have created a model in which "if you sing loud enough with as much sentimentality as you can muster, you're an effective singer. But it's vacuous," he said. He shook his head in distaste as he reached for his teacup, his chipped nail polish as black as his '80s mop of hair.

But it's the guitars that define "The Messenger." In those gorgeous mosaics that formed the underpinning of the Smiths records, Mr. Marr was shown as a different kind of guitar hero: His brilliance emerged in his gift for the right sound at the right time, rather than blizzards of notes or dramatic gestures. On the new album, he uses a variety of textures, snaking lines and rounded, full-bodied chords as a song warrants. Bright and jangly at its core, his is still an identifiable sound guitarists seek to emulate. Fender now markets a Johnny Marr Jaguar guitar that may help them do it.

Mr. Marr said he long avoided relying on a signature sound. "In my late 20s and 30s, it was my prerogative to be contrary about certain expectations or being labeled and boxed." Working with post-Smiths bands like Modest Mouse or the Cribs, his goal as a guitarist, he said, was to "hide in the shadows, to do something meaningful and expressive."

Now he's embraced his distinctiveness. To do otherwise at his age, he's concluded, is mere stubbornness. "It's the opposite of being open," he said. "You're closed over. When I went to see Television, I didn't want them to sound like Devo. Now if I play something that sounds like me, I don't reject it."

Here in Manchester, Mr. Marr for the most part escapes the hassle of celebrity. Though he sat in plain sight, no one approached him in the restaurant, and as he walked his visitor along backstreets to Manchester Piccadilly, he was stopped only once—by a guitarist who asked him where he could meet like-minded musicians. At the train station, he was recognized, but his fans kept a respectful distance, as if they sensed he was engaged and would be around later anyway.

Life in this city formed his early attitudes about who could connect with his music, he said. "I always assume the people who are generally interested in me are people who are quite like me. It's a friendship across the arts."

Mr. Fusilli is the Journal's rock and pop music critic. Email him at jfusilli@wsj.com or follow him on Twitter: @wsjrock.

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I think Marr should be the next doctor. Big Grin

IMO.

Johnny Marr link to todays Sun Newspaper fans should find interesting:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/4814659/Johnny-Marr-Spotify-playlist-revealed.html

Marr's spotify playlist (whatever that is)

1) Magazine - Shot By Both Sides

2) David Bowie - Suffragette City

3) The Animals - It's My Life

4) Hooded Fang - Tosta Mista

5) Mina - Se Telefonado

6) Roxy Music - Street Life

7) John Barry - Theme From 'The Persuadors

8 NF Porter - Keep On Keepin' On

9) Brian Eno - Needle In The Camel's Eye

10) Paul Davidson - Midnight Rider

11) The Contours - Just A Little Misunderstanding

12) Iggy & The Stooges - Gimme Danger

13) Pet Shop Boys - Love Comes Quickly

14) The Velvet Underground - I can't Stand It (Album Version)

15) New York Dolls - Chatterbox

16) Tyranasaurus Rex - King Of The Rumbling Spires

17) Etta James - Seven Day Fool

18) Sparks - Amateur Hour

19) The Clash - Know Your Rights

20) The Rolling Stones - Get Off My Cloud

21) Television - Foxhole

Johnny Marr is live on Reddit answering questions. Go here to ask or tell him something.

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/19ee4i/hello_reddit_my_name_is_johnny_marr_guitar_player/

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

So does anyone else think JM wears a wig? Not a big deal of course, he is god-like genius after all..

There sure has been a lot of publicity over the new solo album! When I first heard some of the songs I was not into it at all, but they have grown on me and I quite like them now.

Here's a video of Johnny Marr playing Rory Gallagher's iconic strat. From the number of Rory songs he knows, and how well he plays them, he must be a fan of Rory. Who knew?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Yt0XlQ1uMDA

Bob

A cool little interview with Marr and Billy Duffy of The Cult.

http://www.billyduffy.com/stories/billy-and-johnny

Last edited: Feb 28, 2013 17:56:58

Thanks for sharing that AgentCooper. Great interview!

Bob

AgentCooper wrote:

A cool little interview with Marr and Billy Duffy of The Cult.

http://www.billyduffy.com/stories/billy-and-johnny

Thoroughly enjoyed this, thanks! One of these days I need to blow the dust off of those Cult cassettes I enjoyed so much in school. Or just download 'em seeing that I don't have a cassette player anymore.

Mike
http://www.youtube.com/morphballio

Well, how can I not "chime" in on this thread? Pardon the pun! This is also my very first post as I just joined a few days ago.

I'm not sure what I can add to the thread that hasn't already been said. JM has been my all-time favourite guitar player since I discovered the Smiths while living in London in 1984. Just a tasteful, understated, melodic player.

Here's a tip for anyone wanting to learn some Smiths riffs- listen to the live recording "Rank". Marr plays the main riffs loud and clear. Some nice song arrangements on that disc too.

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