Alex
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Posted on Nov 21 2012 05:00 AM
Hey there, it's been a while, I may actually be in a surf band pretty soon (y)!
Yeah anyways, it's sooo hard to find tabs for Surf Bands, particular anything post '60's. I'm really looking for some Surf Coasters tabs, though anything by any more modern bands like that would rule, (tell me all your mad notes Snyder! I know you're there!)
Yeah so any help you can give me would be amazing! Thanks in advance!
Mr Alex
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LoeD
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Posted on Nov 21 2012 06:51 AM
I know this doesn´t help you with your original question but did you try to figure out the notes yourself? I was never good at this but since I started playing surf 1 year ago I have learned 30+ songs with almost no use of available tab transcriptions.
Because of clean sounding, loud guitars with mostly single notes playing it is quite easy to find out what the guitar is doing.
But I´m still bad at finding out chords. I don´t know enough about different chords, voicings and music theory in general to get the proper chords. It´s always try and error and I´m often not even close.
But single note melodies are easy to learn.
give it a try.
A computer software where you can make loops and slow down playing speed without altering the pitch can be very helpful.
cheers
LoeD
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Alex
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Posted on Nov 21 2012 07:01 AM
Awww man but that's like effort (though I did accidentally figure out a TomorrowMen solo once by ear).
It's funny becasue for me chords are easier to figure out as there's more stuff going on to pick up on, and they're usually more like constant and repetitive than single note lines.
So...are there any tabs? I'm guessing no, after years of casual searching I think I've found one tab of Samurai Struck and about 7 for their rendition of Miserlou.
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SanchoPansen
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Posted on Nov 21 2012 07:57 AM
Did you try www.911tabs.com? You could also do a search for guitar books on Amazon. They offer some surf tab books (Ventures and Dick Dale).
Plus there are 28 surf tabs in the download section on this page.
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DannySnyder
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Posted on Nov 21 2012 09:16 AM
Hey Alex, I don't even know what notes I'm playing anymore.
Why don't you tell mw what song you want to learn and I'll post a video close up of my guitar neck.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
I am now playing trumpet with Prince Buster tribute band 'Balzac'
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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DannySnyder
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Posted on Nov 21 2012 09:17 AM
LoeD wrote:
But I´m still bad at finding out chords. I don´t know enough about different chords, voicings and music theory in general to get the proper chords. It´s always try and error and I´m often not even close.
The trick to figuring out chords is to listen to the bass. In surf the bass is almost always on the root of the chord, especially on beat 1 of the bar.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
I am now playing trumpet with Prince Buster tribute band 'Balzac'
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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Brian
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Posted on Nov 21 2012 09:43 AM
Hey Alex, that is great you are going to be in a band. Keep it up.
As you found out, there aren't very many tabs for modern bands in a small genre like ours. The best thing you can do though, is to stop relying on tabs. Get yourself some software that slows down parts and can loop without changing the pitch. Then go over parts over and over again. Write it down to create your own tabs. There is something about critically listening and then actively writing it down that really helped me out. Pretty soon you'll build up your ear and you can figure stuff out without tabs. It takes a lot of work and time, but you'll really improve as a guitar player as a result. Good luck!
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SanchoPansen
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Posted on Nov 21 2012 09:53 AM
Brian wrote:
Hey Alex, that is great you are going to be in a band. Keep it up.
As you found out, there aren't very many tabs for modern bands in a small genre like ours. The best thing you can do though, is to stop relying on tabs. Get yourself some software that slows down parts and can loop without changing the pitch. Then go over parts over and over again. Write it down to create your own tabs. There is something about critically listening and then actively writing it down that really helped me out. Pretty soon you'll build up your ear and you can figure stuff out without tabs. It takes a lot of work and time, but you'll really improve as a guitar player as a result. Good luck!
+1! I guess that's what we all are doing here. I'm using CoolEdit, but there are plenty of programs out there that can slow down without altering the pitch. And like Brian said, you get used to it after a while.
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Richard
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Posted on Nov 21 2012 10:27 AM
I'm sure this has been said a thousand times on this forum, but is there any software than can slow speed without changing pitch that's free?
I +1 what everyone else has said about learning by ear, especially listening for the root to find the chord. I've been figuring out bits and pieces of lots of high two-string melodies from Los Straitjackets songs lately and it's by finding the root, using that to identify the progression/melody, than finding the "accent" note from there. I can most of the time find chords this way as well, but it takes a bit more time because there's (sometimes) more going on.
I am still a frustrated ear learner because I tend to lose melodies in my head when I'm in the process of figuring things out, especially faster, riffier stuff, but this is probably due to lack of concerted effort, concentration, and use of tools on my part. Try using the tab as a starting point and go from there...it's time-consuming but ultimately worth the effort, and this is coming from somewhere who hasn't put in nearly enough to become as proficient as I want to be.
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BayState
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Posted on Nov 21 2012 11:59 AM
If you are looking for some more modern tabs I'll plug Danny " Daddy-O Grande" Amis
http://www.daddyogrande.com/tablature.html
I get what people say about trying to learn by ear but as a home player it comes down to time. As a single dad with two pre-teens my window for my own time is usually pretty small. Having sheet music speeds up the learning process a lot for me.
Personally, I'd love to see more current bands doing this.
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LoeD
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Posted on Nov 21 2012 12:36 PM
finding the chord basis is ok mostly, but I hardly get the correct voicing or fingering of the chord (which could cause very different sounds) and especially when it comes to chords aside of major and minor voicings I´m lost in confusion...
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Rob_J
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Posted on Nov 21 2012 12:52 PM
"I'm sure this has been said a thousand times on this forum, but is there any software than can slow speed without changing pitch that's free?"
Yes - "Audacity' is free and will do what you want. I've never learned to use many of the other features of the software, but I use the ability to slow tempo all the time.
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Pappa_Surf
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Posted on Nov 21 2012 01:04 PM
The last few songs I've worked on have been by noodling out. Painful at times, but using VLC media (free) player to slow down and loop made it much easier. I too have trouble with the chords though.
I still like the ease of using tabs, but I think noodling really helps me develop my ear a lot and it gets easier each time I try.
For a lot of the classics there are Hal Leonard play-along books and the Ventures play-along albums.
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Alex
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Posted on Nov 22 2012 10:58 AM
DannySnyder wrote:
Hey Alex, I don't even know what notes I'm playing anymore.
Why don't you tell mw what song you want to learn and I'll post a video close up of my guitar neck.
Oh you absolute legend man! I'm gonna have to say Requiem for a TomorrowMan! I heard it on the first podcast and it was one of the tunes that really turned me on to surf music! It's totally epic! (I'm jumpingup anddown as I type!)
Thanks for the support Brian! And thank you for creating this amazing website!!
I totally know where you're coming from BayState, well, I don't have kids, but yeah, time man time! There's just not enough of it!
Yeah I downloaded Audacity and started listening to Tsunami Struck at like 10% tempo, it was really trippy hahah, drums sound crazy that slow. I didn't know you could do tempo changes in VLC without changing the pitch, I'll have to check it out! I'll have to upload the tab here if I ever get it done!
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169Cub
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Posted on Nov 22 2012 11:10 AM
You can go on eBay and find surf guitar books in the $20 range and from my experience/opinion, anything from Hal Leonard is top shelf material. It is easy, fast, and not too expensive.
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Alex
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Posted on Nov 22 2012 11:32 AM
Searches ebay
Play Guitar With The Ventures
Oh the Ventures are telling me to play by ear!
Trollalol!
Um yeah sites like this I've all ready checked, I can find tabs for classics pretty easily. May have to look into Danny's tabs a bit more, there are some good songs in there...
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Brian
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Posted on Nov 22 2012 03:37 PM
Thanks Alex, it's great to have such young & enthusiastic members. Keep up the practicing and hard work!
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ChazSurf
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Posted on Nov 22 2012 08:13 PM
Baystate, thanks for posting about the Danny "Daddy-O Grande" Amis. I'll be purchasing those.
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Alex
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Posted on Nov 26 2012 04:50 PM
DannySnyder wrote:
Why don't you tell mw what song you want to learn and I'll post a video close up of my guitar neck.
Any chance of that video soon?
My Tsunami Struck tab is coming along pretty well too, though my drummer figured out the main riff (yeah the drummer has better ears than me /= ), just gotta figure out the solo/sax part =)
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DannySnyder
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Posted on Nov 26 2012 04:58 PM
Sorry Alex, after I wrote that I went to look for my camera and realized it was gone. As I'm financially challenged these days I can't go out and buy a new one. However, a friend just offered me his old one, so in a few days I hope to be able to get that up for you.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
I am now playing trumpet with Prince Buster tribute band 'Balzac'
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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