The Shadows go with another lead guitarist

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Posted on Nov 14 2012 06:43 AM

Brian wrote:

That's an interesting theory!

I'm sure the Shadows fanatics were all a-buzz about that photo.

Especially since it features the All Seeing Eye - top center.

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Posted on Nov 14 2012 07:49 AM

IvanP wrote:

I love this photo. This is how more bands should record! You get a much different result this way. I seriously doubt that EMI would have sprung for any extra musicians for a 'pop' session back then, as they considered it 'throw-away'. Any sweetening would have been done from within the ranks. Also I don't believe EMI did much if any overdubbing back then (pre-beatles). At the point this picture was taken, they only had mono and stereo recorders, and overdubbing would have been way too expensive (time and tape)and laborious for a 'pop' recording.
When we were mixing our last record a year and a half ago, I had the good fortune of meeting Malcolm Addey. He works in NY doing tape restoration (tape baking and such) and just happened to be dropping off some tapes at the studio we were working at during our mixing sessions. Mr. Addey was the engineer on some of the Shadows sessions, not to mention a couple of Beatles sessions and Johnny Kidd and the Pirates! Needless to say I was thrilled to meet him as I am most interested in that period of recording. I took the opportunity to pick his brain as much as I could during the brief meeting, even though I was very nervous. Mixing a song with a guy like that in the same room is nerve racking to say the least (that particular mix made it on the album though!). The guy who runs the studio has a working relationship with Mr. Addey, so I'll see if I can get him to ask him about sweetening and extra musicians back then. I can't gaurantee an answer but I'll give it a shot.

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Posted on Nov 14 2012 08:27 AM

crumble wrote:

Brian wrote:

That's an interesting theory!

I'm sure the Shadows fanatics were all a-buzz about that photo.

Especially since it features the All Seeing Eye - top center.

LOL!!!!!!!! I never noticed that! CONSPIRACY! Great catch, Crumble!

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Posted on Nov 14 2012 08:27 AM

"Especially since it features the All Seeing Eye - top center"

I looked at the clock on the wall to see the time of day, the mic placement, muti outlet power cord, ash tray. But I missed the eye.

The Illuminati? Masonic oversight? Big Brother?

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Posted on Nov 14 2012 06:39 PM

caddady wrote:

"Especially since it features the All Seeing Eye - top center"

I looked at the clock on the wall to see the time of day, the mic placement, muti outlet power cord, ash tray. But I missed the eye.

The Illuminati? Masonic oversight? Big Brother?

With Cliff Richard in the picture it would be Holy Trinity wouldn't it?

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Posted on Nov 14 2012 07:10 PM

lol, yet again! Nicely said!

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Posted on Nov 14 2012 07:26 PM

I'm intrigued by all this smoking gun stuff. Despite Bruce's recollection (which is obviously imperfect) there is Cliff Richard pictured at a recording session playing acoustic guitar in front of a mic. Even if they were only rehearsing, that is compelling evidence!

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Posted on Nov 15 2012 05:00 AM

Brian wrote:

IvanP wrote:

What in the hell did I just watch?

It must be that Devil Woman Cliff's always singing about.

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Posted on Nov 15 2012 07:33 AM

crumble wrote:

Brian wrote:

IvanP wrote:

What in the hell did I just watch?

It must be that Devil Woman Cliff's always singing about.

It was very popular in burlesque and vaudeville for comedians or singers to do bits where they performed parodies of women performers. Bing Crosby and Danny Kaye did it in White Christmas. Milton Berle made a career out of it. For a time, Carmen Miranda (The Lady in the Tutti Fruitti Hat) was the prime target for all this frippancy.

Even Daffy Duck did it.

I added Carmen's original version of "I, Yi, Yi, Yi, Yi (I Like You Very Much)" from That Night in Rio.

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crumble Joined: Sep 09, 2008 Posts: 3158 Guildford England	Posted on Nov 14 2012 06:43 AM Brian wrote: That's an interesting theory! I'm sure the Shadows fanatics were all a-buzz about that photo. Especially since it features the All Seeing Eye - top center. Top
psychonaut Joined: Dec 08, 2007 Posts: 1303	Posted on Nov 14 2012 07:49 AM IvanP wrote: I love this photo. This is how more bands should record! You get a much different result this way. I seriously doubt that EMI would have sprung for any extra musicians for a 'pop' session back then, as they considered it 'throw-away'. Any sweetening would have been done from within the ranks. Also I don't believe EMI did much if any overdubbing back then (pre-beatles). At the point this picture was taken, they only had mono and stereo recorders, and overdubbing would have been way too expensive (time and tape)and laborious for a 'pop' recording. When we were mixing our last record a year and a half ago, I had the good fortune of meeting Malcolm Addey. He works in NY doing tape restoration (tape baking and such) and just happened to be dropping off some tapes at the studio we were working at during our mixing sessions. Mr. Addey was the engineer on some of the Shadows sessions, not to mention a couple of Beatles sessions and Johnny Kidd and the Pirates! Needless to say I was thrilled to meet him as I am most interested in that period of recording. I took the opportunity to pick his brain as much as I could during the brief meeting, even though I was very nervous. Mixing a song with a guy like that in the same room is nerve racking to say the least (that particular mix made it on the album though!). The guy who runs the studio has a working relationship with Mr. Addey, so I'll see if I can get him to ask him about sweetening and extra musicians back then. I can't gaurantee an answer but I'll give it a shot. — https://www.facebook.com/coffindagger http://coffindaggers.com/ http://thecoffindaggers.bandcamp.com Last edited: Nov 14, 2012 07:56:56 Top
Matt22 Joined: Feb 15, 2007 Posts: 2846 Fredericksburg, Virginia	Posted on Nov 14 2012 08:27 AM crumble wrote: Brian wrote: That's an interesting theory! I'm sure the Shadows fanatics were all a-buzz about that photo. Especially since it features the All Seeing Eye - top center. LOL!!!!!!!! I never noticed that! CONSPIRACY! Great catch, Crumble! — Matt "tha Kat" Lentz Skippy and the Skipjacks: 2018-2020 Skippyandtheskipjacks.net https://www.facebook.com/skippyandtheskipjacks Otto and the Ottomans: 2014-2015 The Coconauts surf band: 2009-2014 www.theamazingcoconauts.com Group Captain and the Mandrakes 2013 http://www.gcmband.com/ The Surfside IV: 2002-2005, 2008-2009 the Del-Vamps: 1992-1999, 2006-2007 http://www.dblcrown.com/delvamps.html Top
caddady Joined: Feb 14, 2010 Posts: 802 N.E. Ohio	Posted on Nov 14 2012 08:27 AM "Especially since it features the All Seeing Eye - top center" I looked at the clock on the wall to see the time of day, the mic placement, muti outlet power cord, ash tray. But I missed the eye. The Illuminati? Masonic oversight? Big Brother? — http://www.reverbnation.com/thegreasemonkeyz Top
crumble Joined: Sep 09, 2008 Posts: 3158 Guildford England	Posted on Nov 14 2012 06:39 PM caddady wrote: "Especially since it features the All Seeing Eye - top center" I looked at the clock on the wall to see the time of day, the mic placement, muti outlet power cord, ash tray. But I missed the eye. The Illuminati? Masonic oversight? Big Brother? With Cliff Richard in the picture it would be Holy Trinity wouldn't it? Top
Matt22 Joined: Feb 15, 2007 Posts: 2846 Fredericksburg, Virginia	Posted on Nov 14 2012 07:10 PM lol, yet again! Nicely said! — Matt "tha Kat" Lentz Skippy and the Skipjacks: 2018-2020 Skippyandtheskipjacks.net https://www.facebook.com/skippyandtheskipjacks Otto and the Ottomans: 2014-2015 The Coconauts surf band: 2009-2014 www.theamazingcoconauts.com Group Captain and the Mandrakes 2013 http://www.gcmband.com/ The Surfside IV: 2002-2005, 2008-2009 the Del-Vamps: 1992-1999, 2006-2007 http://www.dblcrown.com/delvamps.html Top
websurfer Joined: May 14, 2007 Posts: 1753	Posted on Nov 14 2012 07:26 PM I'm intrigued by all this smoking gun stuff. Despite Bruce's recollection (which is obviously imperfect) there is Cliff Richard pictured at a recording session playing acoustic guitar in front of a mic. Even if they were only rehearsing, that is compelling evidence! Top
crumble Joined: Sep 09, 2008 Posts: 3158 Guildford England	Posted on Nov 15 2012 05:00 AM Brian wrote: IvanP wrote: What in the hell did I just watch? It must be that Devil Woman Cliff's always singing about. Top
Noel Joined: Mar 15, 2011 Posts: 8528 Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.	Posted on Nov 15 2012 07:33 AM crumble wrote: Brian wrote: IvanP wrote: What in the hell did I just watch? It must be that Devil Woman Cliff's always singing about. It was very popular in burlesque and vaudeville for comedians or singers to do bits where they performed parodies of women performers. Bing Crosby and Danny Kaye did it in White Christmas. Milton Berle made a career out of it. For a time, Carmen Miranda (The Lady in the Tutti Fruitti Hat) was the prime target for all this frippancy. Even Daffy Duck did it. I added Carmen's original version of "I, Yi, Yi, Yi, Yi (I Like You Very Much)" from That Night in Rio. — This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got. Last edited: Nov 15, 2012 08:01:59 Top

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