wetreverb
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Panorama City, CA
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Posted on Apr 21 2006 03:11 AM
Just throwing this out there to see if there's any Mosrite mavens out there who'd know where I'd have the greatest probable success in finding a slightly longer trem spring than the one that came standard in my Mosrite guitars. I'm finding that with 0.11 guage strings the pull compresses this spring until the trem arm is a bit too low for my taste.
I hesitate to attempt bending the arm upwards, because it looks like a casting to me, and I wouldn't put much faith in the amount of bending one could do before breaking the arm.
The stock spring is about 9/16" diameter and about 1 3/16" length. Ideally, I'd like to find an identical diameter spring about 1 1/2" length.
So, anyone out there who's ever tweaked a Mosrite trem - Am I correct about shying away from putting enough stress on the trem-arm, to bend it slightly upward? Where'd be a good source for the springs?
Any voices of experience out there?
Bruce D 
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Bong-O
Joined: Mar 04, 2006
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Massachusetts, birthplace of Dick Dale
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Posted on Apr 21 2006 07:35 AM
I've bought parts for my Mosrite from Tym's Guitars in Australia (I'm in the USA, RI) and it was a pleasurable experience. You can find him online http://www.tymguitars.com.au/. Don't know if he has the spring you are looking for, but he's worth a try.
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kick_the_reverb
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
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Escondido, CA
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Posted on Apr 21 2006 08:12 AM
Yes, yes, a very good question, I asked that a year or two ago, and the only answer I got, was to try a motor cycle repair shop...I wanted to know so I could persuade my bandmate to put slightly heavier strings on his Mosrite - same thing happend when he tried - he lost all the tremolo range.
Just one of the 3 reasons I'll probably never own a Mosrite, even if I had the money...I love seeing them and hearing them, though
Ran
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wetreverb
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Panorama City, CA
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Posted on Apr 21 2006 10:33 AM
Hey Ran and Bong-O,
Thanks for the responses. Being a veteran player, I bought my first Mosrite, a '65 Ventures Model, in stunning Candy-Apple-Blue, back in 1971 for $110.00! That year I also bought a '64 "L" Series Fender Jazzmaster in Olympic White, for $120.00! Between the two, I hardly every played the Mosrite, because to me, at the time, the Jazzmaster sounded and felt better.
In Longboard Ranch, for seven years, I've mainly played Strats, Jazzmasters, and occasionally a Wilson Bros., Ventures Model. I had two Mosrites in storage - One an early 70's VII model, that I hope to modify and restore, and the other, a Fillmore Mosrite of Classics, which I've been playing over the past couple of weeks, and much to my surprise, absolutely LOVING IT! The ONLY thing this guitar needs beyond the trem arm staying nice and high, would be a MIDDLE PICKUP, and since it's not a collector item, I'm thinking seriously about adding a P90 or perhaps DeArmond single-coil to get that middle-pickup tone.
I've said much negative about Mosrites over the years, and on this forum as well as UF2, and I hate to admit it, but right now, I'm eating my words!
The Mosrite was an awesome design, and not perfect by any means, but with a little tweaking, I think it can be made so much better. Anyway I'm going to see what I can do with this Mosrite copy, (which is eerily similar to my '65 original that I got rid of years ago!) I'll keep everyone posted whether the results are good, or not so good.
Best Regards,
Bruce D
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Bong-O
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Massachusetts, birthplace of Dick Dale
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Posted on Apr 21 2006 11:10 AM
I have an Excellent 65 that I replaced the spring on (bought it from Tym, he says his are better quality than the Japanese ones, and I believe he is right) as well as his repro Mosrite pickups... not too many guys wind them these days! Very original sounding.
I also have a real 1968 Joe Maphis that has all the original case candy. Back in the day, Mosrite supplied you with a regular AND heavy duty spring..... sorry though, mine's not for sale!
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Dug
Joined: Mar 31, 2006
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Posted on Apr 21 2006 11:26 AM
I would also check www.zamminc.com , they sell parts for the Japanese repros, including heavier springs. Not sure on what size they are exactly, but Kevin is a nice guy and has always been helpful.
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kick_the_reverb
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Escondido, CA
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Posted on Apr 21 2006 12:08 PM
Thanks for the info guys, I'll pass it along!
Bruce - I wasn't implying I don't like Mosrites, it's just that the way I have my guitars set-up (tuned to D, real heavy strings, high action), would probably negate the use of a Mosrite. Mosrites are more suitable for light strings, low action and standard tuning, AFAIK, and correct me if I'm wrong (please don't, so I never have to obsess about getting one).
Ran
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wetreverb
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Panorama City, CA
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Posted on Apr 24 2006 06:14 AM
Hi everyone!
Again, I want to thank you for your input and ideas, but, wow, I actually got it figured out, and when I tell you, you'll probably react the same as I did, when the answer hit me - "Like how could I have been so blind as to not visualize this cheap and simple fix?"
Our local True Value Hardware store has a nice selection of springs of differing types, lengths, diameters, and thickness of coils. But nothing the exact same diameter as the trem spring from the Mosrite, except another of the exact same length, which wouldn't change much of anything, so I went home frustrated, and figuring I'm at the mercy of Zamm or Tym's, and I'd better resign myself to waiting for responses to the emails I sent them already.
Went to a niece's wedding on Saturday, consumed a bit too much champagne and chablis and woke up Sunday with a horrendous hangover.
There I am in the bathroom, trying to brush the stale fuzziness out of my mouth, when it hits me - keep the original Mosrite Trem Spring, and buy an equal-length string of the thickest possible coils, but of a small enough diameter that I can place it inside the Trem Spring, for additional compression resistance.
Ran down to Empire Hardware, and they had just the thing, Spring #136 at SIXTY-CENTS each. I bought two, raced home, loosened the strings enough to get the trem spring out, put the new spring inside, re-inserted the springs in the trem unit, tuned up to pitch, and the arm is now about 2 1/2" above the body, a FULL inch higher than before!!
The trem bar even with TWO springs holding it up, is still remarkably responsive to even a light downward touch, still super smooth in the best Mosrite tradition, and dive-bombing (a la the ending chord from Journey To The Stars) is a total breeze!
Plus, I suspect, with the slight additional amount of up-pressure on the trem arm, this should aid the guitar staying in tune a bit more reliably, but we'll see, as the new strings get worked in.
Anyone having this kind of issue in the future, the fix is cheap, quick and easy. Obviously, since the principle of the trem is the same, this fix would work equally well on a Bigsby-equipped guitar.
This Mosrite of Classics is proving to be more fun than I deserve!
Bruce D
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Bong-O
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Massachusetts, birthplace of Dick Dale
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Posted on Apr 24 2006 08:04 AM
Nice job Bruce! Innovation is a wonderful thing.........
Next time you restring, take the vibrato off the guitar and take it completely apart - two allen screws on each side hold in the rocking tailpiece. They run on two roller bearings. Clean and lubricate these bearings, put it back together and you will once again be AMAZED by Mosrite magic. This is a good yearly matainence move.
Bong-O
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JObeast
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Finknabad, Squinkistan
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Posted on Sep 12 2015 07:52 PM
I'm going to try the spring-within-a-spring thing first. I have noway of knowing that the $8 spring (+$3 shipping) would work any better than the one already in the guitar. When the nickel rounds get tired i will take the whole tailpiece off and clean the bearings. Between these two operations, I should get my whammy action and tuning up to par.
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davidphantomatic
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San Antone, TX
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Posted on Sep 13 2015 01:18 AM
When I had my Excellent, a few years back, I put one of these springs on there and it made all the difference in the world.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Mosrite-Heavy-Gauge-Spring-/400930433118?hash=item5d5950e85e
I had to work the inside of the top portion with a Dremel to make it fit, but once I had it fitting right it was all over because that was exactly what the Excellent vibrato needed.
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JObeast
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Posted on Sep 13 2015 11:17 PM
David Phantom,
What did you do with the Dremel?
I got a small spring that bolsters the existing one for a dollar; have yet to see if it does the trick. The vibrato arm now rests another 1/4" higher, now a full inch above the plane of the pickguard. Thinking your proffered solution might be an improvement. Gotta save up another $11!
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killbabykill34
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Jacksonville, AL
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Posted on Sep 14 2015 07:28 AM
I know that you found a solution already. But I wanted to throw this one out there, as it was recently pointed out to me so that I might be able to string 12's on my Hallmark. I am going to hit up a Machinist friend and have him make a stepped washer to place under the spring to shim it up a bit. The step will allow the top of the washer to rest inside the spring so there is no slipping issue.
wetreverb wrote:
Just throwing this out there to see if there's any Mosrite mavens out there who'd know where I'd have the greatest probable success in finding a slightly longer trem spring than the one that came standard in my Mosrite guitars. I'm finding that with 0.11 guage strings the pull compresses this spring until the trem arm is a bit too low for my taste.
I hesitate to attempt bending the arm upwards, because it looks like a casting to me, and I wouldn't put much faith in the amount of bending one could do before breaking the arm.
The stock spring is about 9/16" diameter and about 1 3/16" length. Ideally, I'd like to find an identical diameter spring about 1 1/2" length.
So, anyone out there who's ever tweaked a Mosrite trem - Am I correct about shying away from putting enough stress on the trem-arm, to bend it slightly upward? Where'd be a good source for the springs?
Any voices of experience out there?
Bruce D 
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JObeast
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Posted on Sep 14 2015 10:55 AM
Kill,
I don't know if I have found a solution yet - the nestled spring only brings up the vibrato handle another 1/4" off the pickguard, and it seems it still wants to stay down. Since I don't have any machinist friends, I may just go for the beefier spring on ebay.
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EJ
Joined: May 05, 2012
Posts: 351
Virginia Beach
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Posted on Sep 14 2015 02:30 PM
I just ordered a few springs from Antique Electronic Supply. They had one at 1 1/8 in length as well as 1" also some fibre bushings.
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