Rio
Joined: May 22, 2006
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Hamilton, Ontario
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Posted on Sep 04 2012 08:25 AM
A lot of good points.
Lost a few drummers to "jealous" GFs/wives... in one band, it was a seasonal thing, every summer, we'd be auditioning & then training drummers, only to lose them the next spring.
Love of, and appreciation for, surf music probably comes first in my book-- it makes the playing and working out tunes that much easier. Shared goals & attitude is probably next-- i.e., everybody should be on the same page and comfortable with whatever you're doing.
Ego is part of showmanship to a point, but beyond that point, it is corrosive, whether it's "Hey, I'm not loud enough in the mix" or "Hey we never play any of my [crummy] songs".
Also, it helps to have an acknowledged leader, if only to handle some of the logistics of booking, getting paid, funding recordings etc.
In one band, it's our bass player, it's basically "his" band, in the sense of him being the major personality and responsible for most logistics and so forth. In another band, it's me... But in all cases, there's an even split of whatever pay we can muster (after expenses, which largely is limited to publicity, we usually handle our own transportation individually), and everybody is free to find gigs or suggest songs etc. But at the end of the day, the "leader" (so-called) is acknowledged to have the final call, because of the responsibility that comes with it being "his" band. It's a combination of democratic decision-making in some things, and deferring to the additional responsibility assumed by the "leader" in making things happen. Things have been pretty steady in both of those bands for years now, and everybody's cool with keeping it happening.
As long as we're not losing our shirts, having a good time, keeping friends & strangers interested enough to come out to our shows, and generally being part of a healthy music "scene", we're happy.
— http://www.facebook.com/?sk=lf#!/rockinrio.delrosa
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Rio
Joined: May 22, 2006
Posts: 500
Hamilton, Ontario
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Posted on Sep 04 2012 08:29 AM
One last thing: within reason, to me, musicianship is probably less important than overall "fit", interest & appreciation of the genre.
Obviously, the player has to have a certain basic ability, but I'd take a committed, knowledgeable with a good attitude over a virtuoso with attitude or lack of real interest in the music. Eg., I hate a bass player who wants to play more notes than the guitarists! They should be in a Rush cover band, not a surf band.
— http://www.facebook.com/?sk=lf#!/rockinrio.delrosa
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WhorehayRFB
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Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted on Sep 04 2012 08:39 AM
Rio wrote:
One last thing: within reason, to me, musicianship is probably less important than overall "fit", interest & appreciation of the genre.
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Ruhar
Joined: Jun 21, 2007
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San Diego, CA
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Posted on Sep 04 2012 10:53 AM
Lots of good points so far. I think one of the most important things is to find people who share your expectations and have similar commitments outside of the band. If you're trying to keep a surf band together, you may want to select people that don't rely on the band for their income. I always stay away from 'hired gun' types. They are usually very competent musicians, but end up being nightmares as far as scheduling practices/gigs with. They are making their money from music. Unless you've got a really good income stream coming in, they won't stick around for long.
On the other hand, changing out personnel can be a very healthy thing for a band trying to find its identity (or stick to it.) People change, their responsibilities evolve and that's just part of life. Learn to adapt to that and embrace the possibility of having people come and go once in a while. I've been extremely lucky to have been playing with our bass player, Steve, for almost 19 years now. We've gone through a ton of lineup changes, but having a core majority that isn't going anywhere and always has the same vision is a pretty great thing!
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caddady
Joined: Feb 14, 2010
Posts: 802
N.E. Ohio
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Posted on Sep 04 2012 11:14 AM
"Anyone out there have members of bands with controlling wives, young kids, new boy/girfriends, etc.?"
Yes.
Try super glue, duct tape, zip ties and a small butane soldering iron.
That has held most of my bands together.
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Pyronauts
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 1166
Northern CA
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Posted on Sep 04 2012 11:57 AM
...start a bowling team instead...
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mom_surfing
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 5321
the outer banks of north carolina
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Posted on Sep 04 2012 09:48 PM
when i joined the group i'm playing with last may it told them that i wasn't the best of guitar players.....but, i would show up to practice, i would practice on my own, i do not have a substance abuse problem or any baggage or drama that i would bring to the band. i have my own equipment and my own transportation.
we had a band meeting tonight and all agreed we don't want the fun factor to go out of this. we all have jobs and don't want this to become just another job.
i know we aren't a surf band but the same rules should apply.
— www.surfintheeye.com
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Rio
Joined: May 22, 2006
Posts: 500
Hamilton, Ontario
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Posted on Sep 04 2012 09:52 PM
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vintagesurfdude
Joined: Nov 28, 2011
Posts: 795
Prescott Valley, AZ
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Posted on Sep 04 2012 11:05 PM
Being a band member is like being married to 3 or 4 other people. There will be problems, the trick is to find like minded souls who can get along with each other, the musicianship comes after that IMHO. Learned that from a blues drummer, Bob "Pacemaker" Newham. spend a little time getting to know each other before you get serious about playing together.
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Rio
Joined: May 22, 2006
Posts: 500
Hamilton, Ontario
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Posted on Sep 04 2012 11:18 PM
vintagesurfdude wrote:
Being a band member is like being married to 3 or 4 other people. There will be problems, the trick is to find like minded souls who can get along with each other, the musicianship comes after that IMHO. Learned that from a blues drummer, Bob "Pacemaker" Newham. spend a little time getting to know each other before you get serious about playing together.
In most of my recent bands, we've rehearsed (and recorded) in my basement studio...
As I indicated earlier, we had a stretch where we were auditioning new drummers on an annual basis. But before deciding to let anybody into my house and using my gear (drum kit included), I wanted to know whether I could trust the person.
So, I used to insist on doing the auditions at a rent-by-the-hour rehearsal space, until we decided that they were going to be a worthy addition to the band, both from a musical, and personality, perspective.
When you're not going to just play with the person, but actually play in your house, that's another reason to get to know the persoon a bit first...
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casey
Joined: May 18, 2006
Posts: 521
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Posted on Sep 05 2012 02:49 AM
All of the bands I've been in that seemed to work well have had one member who functioned as the leader. Its not too complicated: Most musicians want to play music that they like for audiences and to get paid something for doing so. If a bandleader can lead in a way that results in playing decent jobs for at least some money on a regular basis there's a good chance the band will stick together, and if someone leaves a good chance of replacing them.
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caddady
Joined: Feb 14, 2010
Posts: 802
N.E. Ohio
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Posted on Sep 05 2012 08:37 AM
Let the band go, and if it is truly yours it will come back..
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OzReverb
Joined: Apr 28, 2009
Posts: 460
Victoria
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Posted on Sep 06 2012 04:46 PM
Spend a little time together OUTSIDE the band - go for a meal, listen to some surf records, go to a show, do some stuff away from practice and gigs and get to know each other a bit.
Some good suggestions above.
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Aaron
Joined: Sep 13, 2011
Posts: 100
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Posted on Sep 07 2012 04:02 PM
Jesus, if I only knew the answer to this question...
Actually, a more applicable question, in my case at least, is "how do you find band members that will be as dedicated as you are?"
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kenposurf
Joined: Feb 23, 2007
Posts: 1650
Santa Rosa, CA
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Posted on Sep 07 2012 05:17 PM
Expect that members will come and go..it's the way of it overall
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WetBandit
Joined: Feb 01, 2010
Posts: 106
MA
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Posted on Sep 07 2012 05:56 PM
It's hard, Can't hold onto a bass player these days! My band is pretty new just the drummer and I for now recording (Once a bass player commits hope to play out). . If you're in it for money then this is not the music genre for you haha!
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tubeswell
Joined: Sep 24, 2011
Posts: 1424
Wellington, NZ
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Posted on Sep 08 2012 03:17 AM
Surfbones wrote:
Anyone out there have members of bands with controlling wives, young kids, new boy/girfriends, etc.?
All the time. There's no simple answer to this - Its a fact of life that other people have lives, and in a band you need to live with that IMHO dammit.
I've been in and out of bands since 1979. The longest lasting ones were only in recent years, but the ones I have the fondest memories of were in the early '80s. Was that just my youthful inebriated existence? I dunno... I guess.
— He who dies with the most tubes... wins
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revmike
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 3857
North Atlantic
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Posted on Sep 09 2012 02:26 PM
Day Jobs, and paying gigs. That's been Urban Surf Kings' solution for our 17 years, and counting.
Rev
PS: Also no rehearsals anymore. We learn new stuff at sndchk.
— Canadian Surf
http://www.urbansurfkings.com/
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Doctor_Morbius
Joined: Oct 26, 2008
Posts: 608
This Planet Earth
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Posted on Sep 13 2012 08:16 PM
I would think all the big money flowing in would keep a Surf band together.
— Cats 'n' Strats, 'cause that's how I roll - I eat reverb for breakfast!
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CrazyAces
Joined: Jul 31, 2012
Posts: 4054
Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted on Sep 13 2012 09:12 PM
My wife bakes before rehearsals and we play local gigs with free food and beer comps. LOL!
It helps, but oh yeah, we just do it for fun and love of creating the music.
The other guys in our band are pro, touring musicians, so this is just to play some "pure" music with pure motives.
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http://www.youtube.com/user/crazyacesrock
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