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IvanP wrote:

TVTheWiredTurtle wrote:

The last thing I want to hear is one more surf band composed of ex shred metal guitar heroes wanking and you guys were a middle finger to that.

I don't understand why people feel a need to put down the stuff they don't like, especially in an unrelated thread. For somebody actually running a business and trying to sell products to surf guitar players, among others, it's completely mystifying. Do you really want to alienate some of your potential customers? Especially since there was none of that kind of attitude from the members of El Ray themselves, who were seemingly very open and embracing of all other bands they played with in the US. I personally would say that their shows cannot be interpreted as "a middle finger" to anything, in any way. They were simply about joy and the unifying power of music. Why do people's different backgrounds continue to trigger some sort of wild fantasies of some kinda purging in the surf music world? I just don't get it....

I hope you read my response above and that I augmented my original response to be more clear about my personal taste in surf music, I was too crass but then I am always that way. I apologize if I've offended the metal side of you Ivan. I like my Metallica but not in the ocean. peace brother.

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TVTheWiredTurtle wrote:

I hope you read my response above and that I augmented my original response to be more clear about my personal taste in surf music, I was too crass but then I am always that way. I apologize if I've offended the metal side of you Ivan. I like my Metallica but not in the ocean. peace brother.

Tavo, why do you care about offending me? I don't think you really do, you've not really changed anything in your original post, so I don't understand why you want a response from me. I was happy to let it go, and move on. You have to understand that this particular issue has a long history on SG101 and even prior to that. There are a handful of people that can't seem to abide anybody being into surf music that also likes metal. Some of them have actually stopped (or severely diminished) posting on SG101 b/c apparently there were too many of us around that like Iron Maiden (despite us really never even mentioning anything metal-related outside of the Shallow End). Figure out that one, I personally don't get it. Some have even gone as far as to suggest that any of us that like metal should actually start referring to the music we make as surf rock rather than just plain old surf music - just to make sure that surf music can be kept "pure". Yep, let's split up our tiny genre even further and make it even more marginalized! It just gets tiring. It's like there are the 'cool' influences - punk, garage, rockabilly, anything pre-'67 - and 'uncool' influences - almost anything post-'67 that's not punk, with metal and/or prog as the greatest offenders - and some people want to make sure that the rest of us understand that. Well, you know, have fun with that. I've grown out of that kind of attitude once I left high-school. I don't need to tell other people what I think is cool and what is not.

Probably what I found most objectionable about your original post was that you used El Ray to make your point. Well, I love metal AND I ABSOLUTELY LOVED EVERY SECOND of the three El Ray performances I was privileged to see two weeks ago. They blew me away! And I already had high expectations, being a huge fan of the band since their debut. If they were giving the middle finger to metal-influenced surf, I personally saw none of it. I think you're seriously projecting.

Finally, I don't exactly know which bands you were referring to in your original comment, maybe mine among others, maybe not, I have no idea - but let's say that the Surf Coasters were one of those bands. Shigeo Naka is as shrederific as anybody out there. But if you haven't listened to their stuff because of that, you're missing out on some of the best surf music made in the past 15 years, because they've done many songs that have no shredding guitar and are highly traditional - and are amazing. If you've blocked them out of your listening, well, I feel kinda sorry for you, but that's the choice you have to make.

I would hope it's enough that all of us on SG101 almost certainly agree that the Astronauts were a truly kick-ass and amazing band! What else really matters????

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TVTheWiredTurtle wrote:

Wow, I try to offer the branch of peace

You didn't change your original post in any significant way. It's still talking about El Ray's set being a middle finger to surf bands fronted by "ex-shred metal heroes wanking." I don't understand exactly how you were offering a branch of peace?

You're free to think whatever you want. I backed off and didn't say anything else after my initial comment, and I thought that was the end of it. Almost a week later you brought it up again and called me out by name. I still don't understand why. And I don't understand why you were expecting a different reaction from me.

Save your mean tone for the classroom

Wouldn't you consider this 'mean': "The last thing I want to hear is one more surf band composed of ex shred metal guitar heroes wanking and you guys were a middle finger to the establishment of sorts."

(What establishment?? You think surf bands with ex-metal guitarists are the establishment? Really???)

as you dont actually speak for "ALL of us on SG101",

? Did I ever claim to do that?

I was just having fun at the surfguitar101 show with my family enjoying EL RAY and The INTOXICATORS and shared about it with excitement and you had to get ugly w/ me ...twice.

Once again, speaking of ugly: "The last thing I want to hear is one more surf band composed of ex shred metal guitar heroes wanking and you guys were a middle finger to the establishment of sorts." Was it necessary to put down some bands and musicians in order to praise El Ray?

I don't think this is going anywhere constructive so I'm going to leave this thread. I'm sorry i said anything at all in the first place. Feel free to hack away at my job (something I did not do with you) and metal-influenced surf...

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Diversity in the genre is a very positive thing. Let us all just keep encouraging and supporting each other. The genre is entirely too small to be able to afford segregation.

With that said, I have one word in regard to the metal shredder thing. DAIKAIJU. If Santanu and Co. don't fit that bill then no one does. Even more, they are one of the most well respected bands in the genre.

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SpaceFargo wrote:

Discussing metal with surf dudes is always completely baffling to me. I've heard a great many people say that Daikaiju are just a metal band and can't hear any surf in their music, and now here's someone saying that a band who literally throws up the horns while playing a ****ing Slayer riff is somehow a "middle finger" towards metal influenced surf.

What planet are you people from?

Sean nailed it perfectly right there.
Please no more discussion about this.
back to pedal talk now.

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Josheboy here is that pedal making my blonde amp with bassman cab going into full crunch. scroll to 2:39 to hear it. A blonde bassmans normal channel will crunch above 6 with the presence all the way open and slamming it with the preamp is really loud and gutpunching crunchy.

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