Matt22
Joined: Feb 15, 2007
Posts: 2858
Fredericksburg, Virginia
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Posted on Jul 23 2012 11:35 PM
That settles it; Walk Don't Run isn't surf!
— Matt "tha Kat" Lentz
Skippy and the Skipjacks: 2018-2020
Skippyandtheskipjacks.net
https://www.facebook.com/skippyandtheskipjacks
Otto and the Ottomans: 2014-2015
The Coconauts surf band: 2009-2014
www.theamazingcoconauts.com
Group Captain and the Mandrakes 2013
http://www.gcmband.com/
The Surfside IV: 2002-2005, 2008-2009
the Del-Vamps: 1992-1999, 2006-2007
http://www.dblcrown.com/delvamps.html
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Kawentzmann
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 1062
Berlin, Germany
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Posted on Jul 24 2012 01:59 AM
Those that have a desire to go back in time to 1958, to a place outside of southern California and tag the Surf label on unsuspecting musicians, I’d like to ask: Can you listen? Do you hear a difference between Duane Eddy and The Lively Ones? There’s a different attitude in Surf.
Because every time this boring discussion comes up, I have the impression you like to use the hex word on every instrumental with a guitar lead. Simplicity over accuracy, so to speak.
And it’s not just about spring reverb either, it’s about the way you play stuff and use your tools. Not the pure instrumentation or music.
Maybe not all people are sensitive to what I try to express here?
— The Exotic Guitar of Kahuna Kawentzmann
You can get the boy out of the Keynes era, but you can’t get the Keynes era out of the boy.
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bigtikidude
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 25695
Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.
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Posted on Jul 24 2012 02:10 AM
KK I feel yer pain.
Nothing wrong with Pre surf instro,
but why try to make it, what it is not?
Inspiration for surf bands?
almost positively,
But not really trying to do anything and have it associated with surfing.
— Jeff(bigtikidude)
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mom_surfing
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 5322
the outer banks of north carolina
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Posted on Jul 24 2012 06:14 AM
at the post convention show at don the beachcomber two years ago, paul johnson and phil orr played tunes by bands that influenced them. i think they played a duane eddy tune or two. by the way, it was a great set of tunes.
— www.surfintheeye.com
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Noel
Joined: Mar 15, 2011
Posts: 8528
Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.
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Posted on Jul 24 2012 07:56 AM
I THINK there is a valid place, here (SG101), to discuss Pre and Proto Surf music. Else, why the enthusiasm for the Birth of Surf and similar releases.
I am still full of a life-time of built-up unspent enthusiasm for these forms of music. And I hope I never get so used to them that I won't eagerly write, or even read, about it without getting frustrated. It wasn't that long ago that I was running around here, so to speak, telling everyone all my thoughts and discoveries about surf music as if I were a little kid who had just discovered the candy section of a super market.
Here are some search results for "Birth of Surf", "Dawn of Surf" and ""Pre and Proto Surf" that provide entertaining and informative reading, and can help answer lots of questions.
http://surfguitar101.com/search/?q=birth+of+surf+&models=forums.topic&models=forums.post
http://surfguitar101.com/search/?q=dawn+of+surf+&models=forums.topic&models=forums.post
http://surfguitar101.com/search/?q=pre+proto+surf&models=forums.topic&models=forums.post
Anyway welcome MuZZy! What's the surf music scene like in Turkey?
— This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.
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Sonichris
Joined: Mar 06, 2006
Posts: 1910
Wear gloves - I'm in the Rockies
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Posted on Jul 24 2012 08:44 AM
It's easy to pigeon-hole most late 50's and early 60's instros into the surf category - back then, they only had so many effects to add to a dry guitar, and many songs do end up sounding a bit "Surfy". But at the time, there was no surf music, there was barely surfing in popular culture.
It's a huge dis-service to those bands to try and classify them with bands that were surf bands. There is nothing wrong with instro music that isn't surf - that's not put down in any way.
For some surf fans, they love the music so much, that they can't believe anyone would NOT want to be classified as a "Surf" band. If an instrumental band isn't surf music, then it must be some lower class of music? Like:
"The Ventures aren't surf, but if they work hard at it, maybe someday they can be - wouldn't that be great!"
— "You can't tell where you're going if you don't know where you've been"
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Jul 24 2012 09:06 AM
Sonichris wrote:
For some surf fans, they love the music so much, that they can't believe anyone would NOT want to be classified as a "Surf" band. If an instrumental band isn't surf music, then it must be some lower class of music? Like:
"The Ventures aren't surf, but if they work hard at it, maybe someday they can be - wouldn't that be great!"
Ha! Awesome!
I feel for anybody that only likes surf music and not any other form of music.
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Jul 24 2012 09:10 AM
Off-topic(for no reason)
Or is it on-topic... you will have to click and watch all of the videos to find out.
Proto-surf: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC73PHdQX04
Surf music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdXQJS3Yv0Y
Daikaiju: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9-CS2v8wcc
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drumfun
Joined: Nov 03, 2006
Posts: 18
costa mesa, ca.
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Posted on Jul 24 2012 09:37 AM
Muzz, it sounds like you might have been at the Rendezvous in 61 and 62, as Movin and Groovin was one of the favorite dance numbers and the wood floor really shook.
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Noel
Joined: Mar 15, 2011
Posts: 8528
Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.
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Posted on Jul 24 2012 09:41 AM
JakeDobner wrote:
Off-topic(for no reason)
Or is it on-topic... you will have to click and watch all of the videos to find out.
Proto-surf: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC73PHdQX04
Surf music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdXQJS3Yv0Y
Daikaiju: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9-CS2v8wcc
Yep!
— This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.
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Brian
Joined: Feb 25, 2006
Posts: 19346
Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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Posted on Jul 24 2012 10:05 AM
Sonichris wrote:
It's a huge dis-service to those bands to try and classify them with bands that were surf bands. There is nothing wrong with instro music that isn't surf - that's not put down in any way.
Exactly. The early surf bands loved The Ventures, Link Wray, Duane Eddy, The Fireballs, etc., and so do I. But the pedantic nerd/dork in me can't quite call those bands surf bands because they came before the popular surf explosion. And there is nothing wrong with not being a surf band.
— Site dude - S3 Agent #202
Need help with the site? SG101 FAQ - Send me a private message - Email me
"It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea
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WhorehayRFB
Joined: Jun 12, 2008
Posts: 3331
Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted on Jul 24 2012 10:54 AM
BeachBumScott wrote:
WhorehayRFB wrote:
Bud Shank is surf.
This is turning in to a slippery slope when wet that's for sure!
Hey, he scored actual surf movies! Can you get any more surf than that?
— Radio Free Bakersfield--60 Minutes of TWANG, CRUNCH, OOMPH.
http://radiofreebakersfield.com
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Radio-Free-Bakersfield/172410279636
http://www.sandiegojoe.com/rfb.htm
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Lurch
Joined: Mar 04, 2011
Posts: 53
Bloomingdale, IL
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Posted on Jul 24 2012 02:50 PM
JakeDobner wrote:
I feel for anybody that only likes surf music and not any other form of music.
Amen to that, & that goes for any other music genre as well! Every time one of my friends says, "I only listen to X music -- everything else sucks!" I just shake my head, because they have no idea what they're missing.
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bigtikidude
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 25695
Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.
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Posted on Jul 24 2012 03:38 PM
I hope that people don't think of me that way.
I admit that I am a huge Fan of "surf"
but I like Pre surf instro also.
and other newer rock music,
and Exotica, Hawaiian, and
my favorite music is
Albanian Mountain Goat Herding Music.
— Jeff(bigtikidude)
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Matt22
Joined: Feb 15, 2007
Posts: 2858
Fredericksburg, Virginia
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Posted on Jul 24 2012 03:41 PM
I like the original Indonesian Folk Music myself!
— Matt "tha Kat" Lentz
Skippy and the Skipjacks: 2018-2020
Skippyandtheskipjacks.net
https://www.facebook.com/skippyandtheskipjacks
Otto and the Ottomans: 2014-2015
The Coconauts surf band: 2009-2014
www.theamazingcoconauts.com
Group Captain and the Mandrakes 2013
http://www.gcmband.com/
The Surfside IV: 2002-2005, 2008-2009
the Del-Vamps: 1992-1999, 2006-2007
http://www.dblcrown.com/delvamps.html
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Jul 24 2012 03:46 PM
bigtikidude wrote:
I hope that people don't think of me that way.
I don't think people do, and anybody that knows you definitely doesn't think that!
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websurfer
Joined: May 14, 2007
Posts: 1753
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Posted on Jul 24 2012 04:02 PM
I think the closest thing we have to an actual Duane Eddy surf album, is "Surfin' Hootenanny"... by Al Casey!
Al was Duane's self-described "utility player" in the studio since 1958, and even wrote Ramrod. Lee Hazlewood wrote the title track and "Guitars, Guitars, Guitars" and approached Casey to record them in Phoenix.
According to the liner notes to the cd reissue, Lee "would have produced them with Duane Eddy on guitar if the two had been speaking at the time".
The single "Surfin' Hootenanny" got airplay, and eventually peaked at #48 on Billboard. This prompted Hazlewood write several more tunes for the LP, which was hastily recorded at RCA studios in LA in about 6 hours(!).
One wonders how much higher "Surfin' Hootenanny" may have charted with Duane Eddy's name attached.
In the lyrics, when they sing: "every guitar player you're going to meet", they shout "Dick Dale!...The Ventures!....Duane Eddy!" with Casey playing licks in each style. Not surprisingly, Duane Eddy's sound is the only one he really nails.
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Double-Crown-Records
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 1226
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Posted on Jul 24 2012 05:24 PM
Slightly off topic, but I was excited today while at work (my day job is at a whale watching/tour company in Bellingham, WA). I took a reservation from Duane Eddy! It wasn't THE Duane Eddy though, although when I mentioned that I was a fan, he said he was too.
— Sean
Double Crown Records
www.doublecrownrecords.com
Surf CD's / Vinyl / Fanzines / DVD's
Frankie & The Pool Boys - Endless Drummer LP / CD
Aloha Screwdriver - Lunar Wobble CD
Continental Magazine - Issue #39 With Compilation CD
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bIG_wAvE_Dave
Joined: Mar 19, 2006
Posts: 365
Reno, NV
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Posted on Jul 24 2012 07:27 PM
The premise of my now inactive band, The Twang Tens was to merge the Twang of 50s guitar heroes (Link, Duane, Freddie King, etc) and 60's Surf stylings.
The Twang Tens - Crazy Little Thing Called Twang
Twang Tens Radio
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slash1
Joined: Apr 24, 2025
Posts: 1
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Posted on May 12 2025 12:20 PM
Also this exists. It's a live album that seems to be out of print.

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