DuaneEddysMum
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Posted on Dec 22 2009 07:50 AM
'water tanks' was the most popular....I even remember reading that a dis-used grain sylo was once considered...now that would have produced REVERV !!!!.
I suppose it was all a bit primitive by todays standards thats what made it so different.
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synchro
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Posted on Dec 22 2009 02:01 PM
I sure see a line of influence that leads from Rockabilly to Duane Eddy (and contemporaries) on into Surf. While they are not strictly the same thing I find that I listen to both Surf and Instrumental Rock all but interchangably.
BTW, the water tank incident is famous. Duane lived in Coolige, AZ, an agricultural area, and he and Lee Greenwood hunted down an empty water tank for reverb purposes. If you kick that tank you might break a toe. 
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elreydlp
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Posted on Dec 22 2009 02:26 PM
synchro
BTW, the water tank incident is famous. Duane lived in Coolige, AZ, an agricultural area, and he and Lee Greenwood hunted down an empty water tank for reverb purposes. If you kick that tank you might break a toe. 
Lee Hazelwood.
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synchro
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Posted on Dec 22 2009 05:09 PM
elreydlp
synchro
BTW, the water tank incident is famous. Duane lived in Coolige, AZ, an agricultural area, and he and Lee Greenwood hunted down an empty water tank for reverb purposes. If you kick that tank you might break a toe. 
Lee Hazelwood.
That's a common misconception. it was actually Lee Greenwood, time traveling in just to help Duane Eddy.
Thanks, you caught me in one of my many mistakes.
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When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.
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Klas
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Stockholm, Sweden
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Posted on Dec 23 2009 06:06 AM
elreydlp
synchro
BTW, the water tank incident is famous. Duane lived in Coolige, AZ, an agricultural area, and he and Lee Greenwood hunted down an empty water tank for reverb purposes. If you kick that tank you might break a toe. 
Lee Hazelwood.
_Hazle_wood

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DuaneEddysMum
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Posted on Dec 24 2009 06:04 AM
synchro
I sure see a line of fluence that leads from Rockabilly to Duane Eddy (and contemporaries) on into Surf. While they are not strictly the same thing I find that I listen to both Surf and Instrumental Rock all but interchangably.
So very true...1960 was a watershed year
Elvis in the Army
Chuck Berry in prison
Jerry Lee in disgrace
Little Richard found religion
Buddy Holly and the great Eddie Cocheran both dead.
As Jerry Lee said it was a year of Bobby this and Bobby that all clean cut boys.
Only the instrumentals,and there were some great ones kept the spirit alive...well they did in the UK.t.
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synchro
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Posted on Dec 24 2009 08:18 AM
DuaneEddysMum
synchro
I sure see a line of fluence that leads from Rockabilly to Duane Eddy (and contemporaries) on into Surf. While they are not strictly the same thing I find that I listen to both Surf and Instrumental Rock all but interchangably.
So very true...1960 was a watershed year
Elvis in the Army
Chuck Berry in prison
Jerry Lee in disgrace
Little Richard found religion
Buddy Holly and the great Eddie Cocheran both dead.
As Jerry Lee said it was a year of Bobby this and Bobby that all clean cut boys.
Only the instrumentals,and there were some great ones kept the spirit alive...well they did in the UK.t.
I've never thought about it in quite those terms but you're, of course, right. There were some real hiccups right about then, perhaps a big reason that instrumentals had the opportunity to come to the front of the pack.
— The artist formerly known as: Synchro
When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.
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MuZZyGoesSurfing
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Middle East
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Posted on Jul 23 2012 10:24 AM
guys, I read messages and I wanted to join this discussion too.
Duane Eddy was one of the surf music pioneers. Ok, in California back then/in late of 50s there had been many bands, orchestras that made surf music tryings but Link Wray, Duane Eddy (movin' & groovin', trembler and so on) and Dick Dale enchanted all those musicians and all surf musicians. Their music/their guitar styles came out "Surf" sound. The Ventures, The Shadows, The Lively Ones (one of my absolute favorite surf bands) followed them and developed "Surf" sound. In my opinion; history of surf music begins with Link Wray's "Rumble" and Duane Eddy's "Moovin' & Groovin'" (1958).
Regards.
muZZy
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JakeDobner
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Seattle
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Posted on Jul 23 2012 11:20 AM
Are you saying the Ventures and Shadows developed the surf sound? I think they are as seminal as Duane, but never made a conscious decision to be 'surf'. Ventures released a 'surfing' album, but that was surely at the behest of the label trying to cash in.
And actually, others would know, was anybody in the US listening to the Shadows between 1960-Surf?
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websurfer
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Posted on Jul 23 2012 12:09 PM
I've been immersed studying Duane Eddy's playing for a few months now. I'm familiar with about a dozen of his tunes on the guitar. I've learned from the early surf pioneers (the music and statements) that he is a major foundation, and there is a wealth of ideas and inventiveness in his seemingly simple playing.
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IvanP
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Posted on Jul 23 2012 12:29 PM
JakeDobner wrote:
And actually, others would know, was anybody in the US listening to the Shadows between 1960-Surf?
Some bands associated with Paul Johnson covered a few Shadows songs: PJ & The Galaxies did The Rise and Fall of the Flingel Bunt, and the Challengers did Dance On and Foot Tapper. I guess some people actually heard the Shadows' "Surfing" and "The Shadows Know" albums!
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Matt22
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Posted on Jul 23 2012 02:44 PM
Years ago when Los Straitjackets toured here in Phoenix, before they would even start playing, Scott Esbeck would ALWAYS mention Duane Eddy and how he pretty much created the instrumental genre. I've been a Duane Eddy fan since I was a kid and have several of his records. Since he started in Phoenix, many of the album covers have pictures of the area and I always found it cool as a kid to go to the places where Duane had his picture taken.
While there were many other artists doing instrumentals, I think Duane really had something going with his large-gauged strings and twangy sound. He's one of the major influences, and that's for sure! One of the local music stores, Ziggy's Music, still has many photos of Duane in the shop trying out instruments and such back in the day.
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websurfer
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Posted on Jul 23 2012 03:51 PM
Very cool, Matt.
For surf, I always thought that Mr. Rebel (Eddie and the Showmen) sounds the most like Duane Eddy in spirit---just sped up and played in the upper register. Of course, Eddie idolized him.
I think "Movin' and Groovin'" is the easiest one to spot in later surf music. Not just because it was covered by other bands, but that idea of riding the trem rhythmically while hitting the open low E shows up as one of the cliches of the genre (i.e. the intro to Surf Rider).
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Matt22
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Fredericksburg, Virginia
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Posted on Jul 23 2012 04:10 PM
And the influence was obvious in the title of the Lively Ones' "Forty Miles Bad Surf."
— Matt "tha Kat" Lentz
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Otto and the Ottomans: 2014-2015
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Group Captain and the Mandrakes 2013
http://www.gcmband.com/
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MuZZyGoesSurfing
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Middle East
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Posted on Jul 23 2012 08:51 PM
JakeDobner wrote:
Are you saying the Ventures and Shadows developed the surf sound? I think they are as seminal as Duane, but never made a conscious decision to be 'surf'. Ventures released a 'surfing' album, but that was surely at the behest of the label trying to cash in.
Surf is an instrumental music genre that contains different, experimental, original guitar tones and works (for example; link wray's songs are pioneers of distortion).
As y'all know here,the meaning of surf music comes from california beach culture. Additionally, in the early days of surf music there had been many music orchestras in California. Those orchestras had various instrumental guitar works. Their works and beach party concerts exactly shaped
this genre and its name.
In short; for example; The Tornados' Telstar is not surf, but due to there is heavy use of guitar in surf genre, The Ventures' Walk don't run is an example of Surf.
Early surf records'list
Duane Eddy (his "Have 'Twangy' Guitar Will Travel" album, especially Movin' & Groovin- 1958)
Link Wray (Rumble, The Swag, Raw-Hide- 1958-1959)
Dick Dale (Let's Go Trippin', jungle fever, Surf Beat, Misirlou, Shake 'n' Stomp - 1960-1962 by the way dick dale first gave as a gift middle east music to Surf)
The Ventures (Walk, don't run - 1960)
The Shadows (Man of Mystery - 1960)
The Beach Boys (Moon Dawg, Stoked - 1962)
The Lively Ones (their "surf city", "surf drums", "surf rider" albums - 1962-1963)
also about Surf
http://classicrock.about.com/od/history/a/surf_rock.htm
Regards
muZZy
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Brian
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Posted on Jul 23 2012 09:24 PM
I think you have a wider definition of what surf is than some of the older, grizzled members of the forum Muzzy (which is perfectly fine). We've had this discussion a few times now.
Check out Paul Johnson's take:
http://surfguitar101.com/forums/post/226800/
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WhorehayRFB
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Posted on Jul 23 2012 09:28 PM
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BeachBumScott
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Posted on Jul 23 2012 09:48 PM
WhorehayRFB wrote:
Bud Shank is surf.
This is turning in to a slippery slope when wet that's for sure!
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JakeDobner
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Seattle
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Posted on Jul 23 2012 10:12 PM
MuZZyGoesSurfing wrote:
Surf is an instrumental music genre that contains different, experimental, original guitar tones and works (for example; link wray's songs are pioneers of distortion).
All I can say is do some more reading on this website! You'll learn a lot.
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bigtikidude
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Posted on Jul 23 2012 11:21 PM
If Walk Don't Run (IS) Surf,
then Daikaiju (IS) Surf,
period.

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